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Possibly in this specific case.
But I have several times on CP explicitly asking other readers what is behind a quoted link, stating that they do not want to follow it themselves. I doubt that all of these were jokes. It is difficult to know when what appears as carefulness is a joke and when it it serious.
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What if we would replace polluting and noisy aircraft with gliders? My idea would be to use lots of smaller glider airports that could be used by gliders to hop from airport to airport within reasonabe distances, it would not be an alternative for transatlantic flight probably, although seaworthy glider-carriers might be an option
I'm not an aviation expert, so I would love to hear what people in the know think about this idea.
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Gliders have no engines, so they are typically taken to height by a powered aircraft. When they are released, they trade distance for height. In flight they can also use updrafts to gain height, but must avoid downdrafts.
Some gliders can take off from a cliff, but cliffs aren't available near every airport location. I suppose that one could lift a glider with a balloon, but that would make the whole process much slower, and would probably be no faster than ground travel (e.g. by train).
Lastly, gliders are typically light-weight, and cannot carry more than one or two people.
I suspect that the economics would make using gliders impractical for travel purposes. Ground travel by train is likely to be much more efficient.
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I know the Germans developed a giant glider plane in WW2 that could carry a lot of soldiers or even a tank, but at the time it was not very practical and they did not use it as far as I know.
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And it had to be lofted by a powered plane, so I don't see where the great savings will be coming from.
Gliders have their place, but passenger aviation isn't one of them.
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I have often seen gliders being launched by using winches, seems more eco-friendly than using towing planes to me.
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And how large were those winch-launched gliders? From a cursory search of the Internet, we are talking about a few hundred kg.
As Griff said, the Allies used gliders in WWII. These were towed by aircraft and released from the air. However, 28 people or 7 tons of cargo are a small fraction of the cargo capacity of a 707, to say nothing of more modern aircraft.
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We need bigger rubber bands.
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The advantage would have been tactical, given that the glider would have been silent. Aircraft engines in that era were very, very loud.
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Yes, but the OP was discussing civilian gliders, in which the main driver would be commercial. Yes, they are quieter, yes, they are more fuel-efficient, but the carrying capacity is very low compared to even a small commercial aircraft. This means that the number of takeoffs and landings would have to be much higher than the present number. Most commercial airports don't have the spare capacity for this.
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I can't help but remember how I enjoyed the silence when all aircraft were grounded during the pandemic.
Aircraft engines are still very loud.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: so I don't see where the great savings will be coming from. A possibility back then would be to get close without noise.
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The British had the Horsa (capacity 28 troops) and the Hamilcar (load capacity 7 tons) which were used quite often in WWII - they built 3,600 of the Horsa and used over 2,500 in a single operation (Operation Market Garden - Wikipedia[^])
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Yes, but they were towed by powered aircraft. They certainly could not be launched with a winch or from the top of a cliff.
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The allied used gliders in Operation Market Garden (known from the movie - and expression - "A bridge Too Far"). But they where dragged to the destination by powered aircraft - C47 and various bombers. Only the actual landing was completely unpowered. Worked fine to add capacity and capabilities to the powered aircrafts, but I don't think they had any noticable environmental benefits, nor do I I think they would have gone that route if starting from scratch without already having the odd thousand powered aircrafts available.
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Indeed, I doubt there were any thoughts about "environmental benefits" in those days. The main advantage of using gliders was the tactical advantage of surprising the enemy.
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Googling suggests that they considered the primary advantage of the Horsa was that it could put the troops down as one group. Parachutes meant they would be spread out (significantly.)
I suspect, although I did not read that, that is was thus considered disposable - a one use shot.
Also, my supposition as well, that this worked because it would have a much lower air speed on landing (and perhaps cost) so more likely that a short landing could be made.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: they trade distance for height. Just a pedantic correction: they trade height for distance and the "exchange rate" is called glide ratio[^].
Mircea
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Mircea Neacsu wrote: they trade height for distance
You're correct. I reversed the order.
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Greetings and Kind Regards
It occurs to me perhaps customer confidence may be an obstacle to overcome. I am not knowledgeable in such matters but it seems reasonable to me to assume a glider of carrying capacity equal to an airliner would be a technical challenge. Certainly worthy of further study. Permit me to say my own pet idea re/ Green Aviation is dirigibles. Unfortunately I can not imagine the aviation public would tolerate the lengthy flight across great distances. Perhaps it is of practical use only for freight.
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Several companies are actively creating large dirigibles for various business reasons.
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I think Dan hit all key notes as to glider economics. Just not there.
Maybe some advanced battery technology in future might tame electric power for powered flight.
Glider technology may go hand in hand.
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Who knows, maybe some kind of hybrid technology with batteries that are not too heavy and only used for take-off or emergency situations ...
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RickZeeland wrote: only used for take-off or emergency situations ...
If the batteries are only used in these situations, they will not be installed at all.
Takeoff power can be provided by an external source (winch, tow aircraft, etc.), so the use case simply isn't there.
In emergency situations, the pilot may need large amounts of power for a short time. Batteries that can do this are very heavy, and would be mostly parasitic weight. Technical improvements would better be invested in improving safety. There is a saying "A clever man can get out of situations that a wise man won't get into". That should apply to safety considerations.
Another reason for not having large batteries on a glider is that gliders are relatively flimsy. In an emergency, the kind of stress that a commercial aircraft can handle might snap the wings of a glider, causing the very accident that one wishes to avoid.
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All true.
Fuel tanks get lighter with use. Not so with batteries.
Power could be solar but that's been done and it's very tricky in cloudy weather.
Interesting challenge, though.
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