|
I wouldn't be surprised if that system started performing "acceptably" again if he did a clean install rather than an in-place upgrade.
And how long did he wait after the upgrade anyway? Even though you can log in and the desktop is accessible, I believe right after an upgrade, Windows can still spent a significant amount of time "doing upgrade things" in the background.
|
|
|
|
|
Do you know if that system is using a spinning disk? If so, the best chance IMHO to improve performance is to switch to an SSD.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
"Hope is contagious"
|
|
|
|
|
My personal observation is that Windows 10 is slower than Windows 8 on the same hardware. My observation (completely unscientific) is that Windows 10 is slower on the same hardware as compared to when it was first released. I mean it's a common observation that it gets slower the longer it's been installed - but a fresh install once patched feels slower to me. Maybe my expectations have changed.
I come home to a lesser specified but blazingly fast Linux machine - so I get to relive the experience every day. Depending on your friends budget, and their intended use of the machine. Perhaps Linux is an option too. My grandmother seemed OK with it for browsing and e-mail. YMMV
|
|
|
|
|
That was my experience, too. Going from 7 to 10 was a big slowdown, only became usable again when I fitted an NVME drive instead of spinning rust.
|
|
|
|
|
Quote: My personal observation is that Windows 10 is slower than Windows 8 on the same hardware. My observation (completely unscientific) is that Windows 10 is slower on the same hardware as compared to when it was first released.
That's true and more striking if we compare beta versus release. The many security thing turned on makes it much slower. Especially Intel, I have an Acer Atom tablet that was slow but decent, then left behind without updates (maybe without Creators Update?) then updated again and slow as a mother louse pregnant with twelve babies during Windows 10.
|
|
|
|
|
I've done upgrades on 2 laptops recently with exactly the same problem. Windows 8 ran fine, but Windows 10 was absolutely unusable (the newer laptop took about 3 hours from a cold boot to being able to work after logging in). By far the biggest issue was the hard drive. Swapping it from from 5400 rpm disks to SSD/NVMe made a world of difference.
On the newer laptop, every time I had to investigate, the problem was Windows Updates doing stuff in the background, but stuff never finished. Slightly less relevant but removing McAfee (installed from Acrobat Reader) helped every time as well.
My plan is to live forever ... so far so good
|
|
|
|
|
"the Andy Grove giveth, the Bill Gates taketh away ..."
|
|
|
|
|
Not sure, but Windows 10 these days brings very little value other than DX12 and WSL2 enhancements. Back in build 1809, Win 10 used to be pretty solid but builds after 1809 seem kludgy and have problems with many expensive pro audio interfaces that are used for recording bands in studio level music creation.
Generally speaking, I have better reliability with GNU\Linux Debian than I do with MS Windows. The big exception is that GNU\Linux won't run Kontakt and Cubase without Wine. For a window manager or low-end or older machines I find that XFCE is the best Window manager for me. XFCE had adequate features with low bloat and doesn't have all of those irritating snapping/docking behaviors that modern MS Windows GUIs seem to have.
I've seen several instances where many games would run better in Steam OS (GNU\Linux) than they would in MS Windows but that's not always the case. Sometimes it's the other way around.
On thing that REALLY annoys me about my Windows 10 partition that is that it will often "freeze" for a minute in several places and just sit there "thinking" for no reason whatsoever. This seems to happen the most often when Microsoft is pushing down automatic updates that I usually don't want...
|
|
|
|
|
I have a Norwegian brother-in-law, so am trying to keep up. So far, all I know is what his son taught me: "Du er en prompende ape." Google Translate tells me that "like a flea crawling on a tar brush" is in Norwegian: "Det er som en loppe som kryper på en tjærebørste.". Does that sound right to you?
|
|
|
|
|
We shorten it somewhat: "Som lus på tjærekost".
So I was somewhat imprecise in my translation: We are referring to louse, not to fleas (which would be "loppe" in Norwegian). First, I think "flea" sounds better. Second, we are used to thinking of fleas being great athletics (like in a flea circus), so the contrast to one crawling on a tar brush makes the point even clearer. I cannot change the Norwegian way of speech, but when translating I can allow myself slightly greater freedom 
Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.
|
|
|
|
|
Thank you for your detailed explanation!
|
|
|
|
|
You need to use the right OS for the hardware. Some computers will forever run Windows Vista better than any OS because the drivers were designed for it. Once you start upgrading Windows you run into driver emulation issues or kernel thread scheduling issues. So either you stay on the older version of Windows or you move to Linux which doesn't have these issues at a driver level.
|
|
|
|
|
Just a few months ago, you could easily go to your boss and say, "Oh, StackOverflow is down so I can't move forward on my project." 
However, that excuse is no longer valid.
Here's the new meme, I just minted[^] to explain it. 
The Dev game has changed to a whole new level.
|
|
|
|
|
So, AI is actually StackOverflow backup device. Good to know.
Additionally, AI will never close or downvote your question, or mark it as duplicate.
|
|
|
|
|
11917640 Member wrote: Additionally, AI will never close or downvote your question, or mark it as duplicate.
Exactly!
I've actually taken 20 minutes (or longer) to write up a question on electronics.stackexchange (one of the most arrogant forums of stackexchange) only to have the entire post deleted where I couldn't even find the post again.
I've found Copilot to be very nice, even when I ask stupid questions. 
|
|
|
|
|
raddevus wrote: I've found Copilot to be very nice, even when I ask stupid questions
...and I've found I stop being nice to Copilot when it starts giving stupid answers.
That generally happens when I reply along the lines of "this won't work, because of A, B, C", and it responds with "try this instead" and then proceeds to repeat the exact same thing that lead me to my initial response. And then it fails to acknowledge even that, and that's as far as it'll go.
|
|
|
|
|
Yeah, very true.
AI seems to get an idea in it's "head" and can't get it out. 
Thomas Cardinal Wolsey “Be very, very careful what you put in that head, because you will never, ever get it out.”
|
|
|
|
|
11917640 Member wrote: Additionally, AI will never close or downvote your question, or mark it as duplicate.
Which proves it's nowhere near human intelligence yet 
|
|
|
|
|
How junior does one have to be for those sorts of excuses to remain acceptable?
Not aimed at you specifically; I'm familiar enough with your contributions to CP to know you deserve all the kudos you can get. I'm thinking specifically of those who aren't old enough to have ever coded without the ability to google everything.
|
|
|
|
|
I've never worked under those conditions - I was given a task and I completed it - I also never had a boss - I work with people, not for them
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
|
|
|
|
|
|
I kinda have to agree here.
If you were hired, and can get fired, you're working for whoever signs your paycheck, not with.
|
|
|
|
|
It may be different in the US
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
|
|
|
|
|
Yes, have done for the last 40 years
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
|
|
|
|
|
Shouldn't your parents be retired by now? :-p
|
|
|
|
General 
News 
Suggestion 
Question 
Bug 
Answer 
Joke 
Praise 
Rant 
Admin 
Submit an article or tip
