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possible, but what retard company would do that? Oh, wait, Apple, Samsung, etc.
Don't get me started on my front loader high efficiency whirlpool washer that you have to disassemble the front to get to the filter....
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: Don't get me started on my front loader high efficiency whirlpool washer that you have to disassemble the front to get to the filter....
When I was a student I owned a Citroen "car." One day when I wanted to change the plugs, it took me half a day and more engine parts on the floor than in still in the engine compartment before I could get at them!
Funnily enough, never had another Citroen!
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do they still make those?
in all fairness, there were a few American vehicles that had spark plugs up against the firewall. Those designers, engineers, and managers are burning in hell changing those spark plugs. 
Don't get me started with Honda oil filters located on the backside of the engine, up against the firewall, and over the exhaust manifold. Whoever came up with that needs to be caned. Any Singapore's here?
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Anyone ever heard about ups' losing their surge protection? I've been told the MOVs break down over time due to surges you never see. Eventually, they loose their ability to control surges.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Well, "it all depends" (management 5th amendment). MOV's are typically rated in joules (sp?). If that is exceeded, like by lightening, they are toast. Most stand alone surge protectors, like on my pool pump circuit, have LEDs that indicate status. I have not seen a UPS that has one. Not that I have seen that many. I would guess, but don't know, that if nothing in your place, that is not on the UPS, has blown it is probably OK.
OTOH, if your pacemaker is powered by the UPS, you might want to add an additional MOV
>64
It’s weird being the same age as old people. Live every day like it is your last; one day, it will be.
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smart a$$. I'm still laughing.
but no, my UPS on it's second set of batteries (likely needs a third) has no indicators at all which struck me as odd. As an EE, I'm not sure how you would test an MOV (not my specialty) to see if it's still working. Technically, you'd be wearing it out one test at a time. And, you'd have to generate a really high voltage pulse to do so...
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Quote: Technically, you'd be wearing it out one test at a time.
Back about 200 years ago, in technology time, we had a 200V plate voltage supply with a 1/4 amp fuse. Multimeters, in those days, pulled more than that on ohm scale.
Therefore, some new techs had trouble finding a good fuse.
WARNING: 2 million ohms!!! 
>64
It’s weird being the same age as old people. Live every day like it is your last; one day, it will be.
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first job I had, we had a very well seasoned ee - Frosty. He was feisty. I learned to control my sarcasm around him (almost got punched one day). Turns out he was faster than he looked... lol, anyway, he was trying to trace down some spurious noise on a control board coming off some factory production line. The ground lines were getting in the way, so he removed all of those to isolate the noise....
As he's looking at the scope, he glances over to see insulation dripping off his probes . There goes a 20k oscilloscope... you youngsters, I envy you. You can go out to Amazon and buy for $50 bucks what we had to beg for in the past.
For the record, I'm not judging Frosty. After one year, the union electricians came to love me. I blew up more crap than I could count - they got overtime, and I got the nickname "Sparky".
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Had that on rack mount units. BFFI (brute force, ignorance), or get a new unit.
As others have said, careful not to puncture.
>64
It’s weird being the same age as old people. Live every day like it is your last; one day, it will be.
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Turn the unit over and let gravity, along with a few whacks, help drop the battery out.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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I've had the same problem. I would just turn it over and thump it onto the floor. A thin mat would save the finish on floor and UPS a bit.
I don't remember needing a lubricant in the past, but feel free to use penetrating oil or even butter.
I have used files to enlarge the battery compartment before reassembly, not all of the batteries are the same size.
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Australian children to be banned from farcebook, Ex, InstantGran, and so forth.
Social media ban for children to be introduced this year, but age limit undetermined - ABC News[^]
You should probably consider what the voting age is before you impose this ...
A much better idea would be to make it impossible to use the internet without your real world identity being attached to everything you post: encourage responsibility, rather than malicious stupidity.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Original Griff wrote: A much better idea would be to make it impossible to use the internet without your real world identity being attached to everything you post
The wet dream of authoritarians worldwide, of which the UK is developing an ample supply.
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When it comes to kids, totally see your point. Not too long ago kids used to outside and make friend with their neighbors. Imagine seeing an entire generation that never learned to do that.
Jeremy Falcon
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Social media outlets would probably love that. What better advertising then being banned, every kid is gonna want it then.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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OriginalGriff wrote: make it impossible to use the internet without your real world identity being attached to everything you post
That's such a slippery slope.
I totally agree it would encourage responsibility. The internet would be a different place altogether. That's the good part.
Now imagine all the psychopaths you might have annoyed getting ahold of your street address. Because you know if the data's there, it's gonna get compromised and it'll all leak out eventually.
Richard Stallman might be paranoid to an extreme, but an internet with complete transparency isn't a place I'd hang out.
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It would also make it harder on dissidents in countries with varying levels of oppressive government.
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Great points man. I'm not sure how to really feel about this, but I do know legislating morality (the intent behind this) always leads to government overreach and problems. For instance, we got stupid laws in some states say crap like you can't sell donkey's on Tuesdays (an example but they got stupid laws like that).
Jeremy Falcon
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OriginalGriff wrote: make it impossible to use the internet without your real world identity being attached
Hindsight is 20/20 vision as they say, but making the internet anonymous was a bad design decision as far as security goes.
There are no solutions, only trade-offs. - Thomas Sowell
A day can really slip by when you're deliberately avoiding what you're supposed to do.
- Calvin (Bill Watterson, Calvin & Hobbes)
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OriginalGriff wrote: Australian children to be banned from farcebook, Ex, InstantGran, and so forth.
IMAO, the minimum age should be set globally and have have at least three digits.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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One digit on each hand should suffice...
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As long as the first one is a leading zero, I'm all for that! 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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If one leading zero is good, two would be even better! 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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OriginalGriff wrote: A much better idea would be to make it impossible to use the internet without your real world identity being attached to everything you post: encourage responsibility, rather than malicious stupidity.
Oddly enough, I'm both for this and against this at the same time. I don't like the idea of requiring anything, but it's clear a looooooooooooooot of people act way too foolish behind anonymity online.
I don't believe you can legislate morality though (causes more problems than it solves), but I sure do wish "adults" would grow up already when online. But, we've also have already seen the media use this for evil.
Jeremy Falcon
modified 10-Sep-24 20:17pm.
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