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Steve Raw wrote: A huge wave of exuberance, celebration, and sense of retributive justice erupted within the website's aviation community.
That right there sums up everything that's wrong with the Internet. 
Their online hangout going to crap is apparently more valuable then someone's life. Have zero respect for these types.
Jeremy Falcon
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Just food for thought, let's not glorify in any way shape or form those hateful, overgrown children that would celebrate someone's death over stupid crap. Seriously. Using an example of disgusting behavior is not a great way to invigorate anyone but the disgusting.
These days you can just start a subreddit for crying out loud.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: let's not glorify in any way shape or form those hateful, overgrown children that would celebrate someone's death over stupid crap.
Understand that by no means was this community just a stupid hangout for those who were a part of it. This community was so important to so many people that they'd regularly travel from all over the world on a regular basis for group meet-ups. On several occasions, I met up with other members who came to town and we had a great time talking with each other over a beer. I have so many great memories to be thankful for. That's not stupid crap to me.
To be absolutely clear, I never implied that people's behavior was something to glorify. Their behavior isn't something I endorse, however, I do understand the level of anger and hatred they felt. Their feelings were entirely justified IMO. After the years of heinous abuse that this man willfully and repeatedly imposed on other people, he brought this upon himself.
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Steve Raw wrote: Their behavior isn't something I endorse, however, I do understand the level of anger and hatred they felt.
Yeah no... defending that stupid nonsense is what children do. And let's be clear, I understand childish hatred. I've also grown the hell up when apparently most people online haven't.
And as always, people gonna argue on CP when confronted with adult topics. It's ridiculous and childish to get so angry you're excited about someone's death over a stupid website. There are 5 million ways to keep in touch with those close to you. I already mentioned one.
So, like if FB shutdown... you'd be "defending" someone laughing at someone dying over it? If you don't then it's hypocrisy. Either way you're talking about a website like its your wife. Clearly these people weren't that close if you lost contact with them forever.
You say you don't endorse it, but you're defending it. Gross.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Yeah no... defending that stupid nonsense is what children do. And let's be clear, I understand childish hatred. I've also grown the hell up when apparently most people online haven't.
And as always, people gonna argue on CP when confronted with adult topics. It's ridiculous and childish to get so angry you're excited about someone's death over a stupid website. There are 5 million ways to keep in touch with those close to you. I already mentioned one.
So, like if FB shutdown... you'd be "defending" someone laughing at someone dying over it? If you don't then it's hypocrisy. Either way you're talking about this like its your wife. Clearly these people weren't that close if you lost contact with them forever.
You say you don't endorse it, but you're defending it. Gross.
Say what you will. My stance remains unchanged.
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Steve Raw wrote: Say what you will. My stance remains unchanged.
Your stance is garbage, over emotional, and immature. 
Jeremy Falcon
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Keep it without personal attacks please, Jeremy
M.D.V. 
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Nelek wrote: Keep it without personal attacks please, Jeremy
Yeah, someone non-nonchalantly defends celebrating someone dying over a website and I'm the bad person for calling it childish and garbage.
Not. Zero respect for that Nelek.
If you have to think I'm wrong for that, then so be it. Right is right and that is wrong. That's disgusting behavior.
Which btw, is what I was attacking... the behavior. You may want to read that again. But I am convinced this place is overrun with overgrown hateful little children who never leave the house. So, there's that...
Jeremy Falcon
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I do not ask it about you respecting other people.
I ask it, to respect for CP 
Now that we have a captainless boot, I would like to avoid doing holes on it on purpose for a while
M.D.V.
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That's a good point, buddy.
Jeremy Falcon
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I appreciate the fact that you're taking the time and effort to provide me with your constructive criticism. Now that you have provided me with your insights, I realize that my cognition is in fact garbage. I now realize that you are the authority of absolute truth. You have earned the entitlement to unconditionally dictate to me what I am required to believe, how I must reason, and what opinions I must hold. If I fail to meet your high standards, then I am not worth the time and effort you have taken to instill me with your superior moral authority. If you deem me to be overly emotional, I haven't the right to disagree. I apologize for my lack of maturity. Your ability to judge what kind of person I am is astonishing.
What do you believe you have accomplished by spewing your vitriol all over the place in a public forum? Because you cannot manage your pent-up frustrations, does this give you the right to insult and condemn others? Are you demonstrating what it is to be mature? No. Does your emotionally charged rant set a good example of how to manage your emotions properly? No. Is cowering behind your keyboard while throwing a petulant fit demonstrate the ability to understand viewpoints that don't align with your own? No.
So, what have you achieved here? If your intention was to decimate any respect I ever had for you, then congratulations. You have succeeded. I find it disappointing. Up until now, I actually believed you had some good character.
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I only skimmed the first paragraph and last paragraphs. I care not what you think man. I do not need or desire your respect as you've already lost mine by virtue of this nonsense. I don't expect much from you except arguing... like a child.
Jeremy Falcon
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Steve Raw wrote: I'm not going to let such a thing happen again.
Not sure whether any of us community members can take control of this.
modified 22hrs ago.
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I agree. Is it a paid effort?
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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I suppose that depends on what you value. If you don't value this community, that's fine. You have every right to that opinion. If a person doesn't find value in this community, it's their prerogative to walk away. I respect that person just the same. Different people value different things.
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Hey, I was just asking, not proposing or opining.
I don't know how this site operates on private enterprise basis, if any.
I have previous stated the community is good thing. I do value it.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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jmaida wrote: paid effort
Dear me. Paid? No way.
Am just one of the 16 million community members here.
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https://github.com/codeproject/CodeProject.AI-Server/discussions/132
this answered my question about pay
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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If you decide to look at it that way, then perhaps you're right. My opinion remains unchanged, however.
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Steve Raw wrote: I can't say what the future holds. What I can say is that the future is in the control of every member of this community.
No it isn't, it is in the hands of whoever pays the bills of the server center. Period.
As long as the site exists, the community will stay, if the owners change, you will have little to no control beyond your own behaviour.
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Nelek wrote: No it isn't, it is in the hands of whoever pays the bills of the server center. Period.
I can't agree with you on that. Consider how the finances needed to pay the bills are obtained to begin with. The business model relies on advertising revenue. What incentivizes advertisers to spend their money to advertise here? It's the visitors, and especially the repeat visitors to the site. The majority of repeat visitors to this website are its members. What is it that incentivizes all visitors to visit? It's the content. Who generates the content? Members generate the content. If there were no members generating fresh content, would people visit the site? If there are no visitors to the site, would advertisers have any incentive to advertise on the site? If there are no advertisers to generate revenue for the site to operate, how would those who pay the bills obtain the revenue to keep the site up and running? This business model cannot function without the site's members. While money is the bottom line, there can be no money without members. Members have all the leverage, and the vast majority of members don't realize it.
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Steve Raw wrote: I can't agree with you on that.
Don't do it, it is a free net.
About the rest of your message, I get your point. But you / we still have little power, the usual peeps here are maybe a couple of hundreds, the rest of the users database are not participating the same way and it will be the heel of difficult to try to move them.
The good clima in CP is due in great part to the staff that has been watching over the site for so long. There have been more than similarities with other toxic places in the net during the past. It was Chris, Sean and some of the usual members who managed the situations and stablished these good vibes as a standard.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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Although we may have differences of opinion, I'm glad to see that you replied in a respectful way. Thank you.
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I'm going to agree with you here. It works kind of a like workplace - where the employer takes point in setting the culture and tone, because they have the most power, at least in the abstract sense of it. Basically, they steer the boat.
And it works that way here too. The kind of people you have in charge makes or breaks a place.
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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Wordle 1,212 3/6*
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Having got 3 out of 5 on the first row it was just a case of trying combinations.
modified yesterday.
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