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(See reply in original thread.)
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I detected no mockery. Both posts seemed sincere. (If unwelcome.)
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try to buy this SonicWall device for my home office.
is there any advice on this item?
I am not hardware guy and learning to set up this stuff...
diligent hands rule....
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Not that particular model. I have been using Sonicwall units for over 20 years. For many years, I used them with hardware vpn to vpn support with multiple clients. See what software features you are getting and for how long. Usually sold: hardware only, 1, 2, or 3 year licensing/support. Firmware updates usually require device to be update support wise.
For a small office the 370 may be overkill. I am using a SOHO-W for my SOHO. Setup is not trivial (not for faint of heart) by any means but they do have good FAQ in support. If I could figure it out, anyone can. 
Next year, my unit goes off support, I am looking into the Z270 wireless.
>64
It’s weird being the same age as old people. Live every day like it is your last; one day, it will be.
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thanks for sharing this info!![Rose | [Rose]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
just find out Z270 is at the same price as Z370.
diligent hands rule....
modified 16hrs ago.
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this looks new to me. thanks for the info
diligent hands rule....
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Looking at your question and the replies, why would you need one for your home office? Does it do something special?
Sitting in my home office behind my default ATT fiber firewall.
Charlie Gilley
“Microsoft is the virus..."
"the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money"
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I don't have ATT fiber firewall in my hometown
diligent hands rule....
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in a few days you'll be doing exactly what they want!
A home without books is a body without soul. Marcus Tullius Cicero
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How to negotiate with your cat:
Step one: Give your cat whatever they want.
Step two: End of negotiation.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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I trained my cat to stop piddling in the bed.
I intend to train her to stop getting into the spots in the bedroom where kitties are not supposed to be.
As a rule I make it a point to do six impossible things before breakfast.
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honey the codewitch wrote: As a rule I make it a point to do six impossible things before breakfast.
It's a witch thing?
honey the codewitch wrote: I intend to train her to stop getting into the spots in the bedroom where kitties are not supposed to be.
There's got to be a spell somewhere that could solve this?
I read somewhere, I don't remember if for dogs or cats that you put a balloon where you don't want them to go and when they pop it they never go there again.
A home without books is a body without soul. Marcus Tullius Cicero
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Mike Hankey wrote: I read somewhere, I don't remember if for dogs or cats that you put a balloon where you don't want them to go and when they pop it they never go there again.
It sounds like a cat thing, and in most cases would probably be very effective.
However, I have an orange cat. Therein lies the problem. She is as fearless (rides in cars happily) and mischievous as she is stupid. The balloon thing may end up exciting her and totally backfire on me.
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Worse case scenario, you have to stock up on balloons.
A home without books is a body without soul. Marcus Tullius Cicero
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Or create a whole new subCATegory of cat videos.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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No problem here.
We have 6 cats.
They are cut out from basswood and painted with acrylics.
Don't intake/outake.
>64
It’s weird being the same age as old people. Live every day like it is your last; one day, it will be.
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no problem here. have zero cats
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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I should note that this isn't exactly related to Richard's overarching project, but it made me think of all this, given his specific problem was one that very much seemed a data entry problem.
This almost deserves an article or something, but I'm just not up to writing it, so I'll leave it as a very general, code free set of observations from directly working with people who needed to use my software to enter data.
When I was building little apps for local small business (a taxi company) or at least local chapters of larger organizations (Boys and Girls Club) the first thing I always did was job shadow the person doing the job my software was either going to streamline or replace. I didn't write a line of code until I could do the job as well, if not as fast, as the operator doing the tasks my software targeted.
Do this. For the love of everything that is right, do this. I can't stress enough how much better your product will be. As often as not you'll come up with something that breaks all kinds of UI guidelines you were taught, but provides a far better DIRECT EXPERIENCE in the context of that operator's workflow than Microsoft ever could have thought of when writing their style guides. It's priceless.
If you can't do that for whatever reason, then at least get regular feedback from someone who is dogfooding your code (you're dogfooding during development, right?), but that's still not anything like learning the tasks yourself.
From this experience, a few stupid observations:
People that enter data like keyboards. Moving your fingers to the mouse means moving them off the home row. Every time you do that, it's productivity that could have been stored for making a sandwich
You can type anything you can click, short of painting a picture.
So the rest is just, what they type and what you accept. That's where the effort should really go - gentle enforcement of business rules, and make your software work like a good employee - if it has a problem, it also suggests a solution. something that can be quickly keypressed past.
Autocomplete is your friend, as long as it's unobtrustive. Entry history for fields is usually worth its weight in gold.
"BUT THAT'S SO 1990S!" you may scream. "What about all these fancy web style user interfaces that are all the rage these days?"
No. There's a time and place for that - usually on a phone - for working people, your interface is work boots, not heels.
AND FINALLY USE YOUR OWN STUFF.
I stand by this stuff, and if I'm wrong about it, well being wrong has worked out quite well for my clients, so I'll just leave this here.
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modified 23hrs ago.
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You're singing to the choir, in my case. I've worked in a hardware store (Ace) and was convinced from that experience that not one of the people who worked for the software company that provided our retail and back office software had ever set foot in a hardware store, let alone worked in one. The actual job is hard enough without the support software actively trying to prevent the worker from doing it! Every developer should be required to do the target job for a year before being allowed to write a single line of code.
In a similar vein, I signed on as a Jr Engineer at General Dynamics many moons ago. Much to my surprise, I was forced to join the Teamsters Union, then spend my time at a workbench building stuff other, more experienced engineers designed. I resented it a bit until I saw the garbage these idiots designed without any thought about whether they could actually be built. Even simple things like keeping the number of wires going to a single connector pin with a hole of limited size they got wrong. And placing screws and pins in places that cannot be reached by human hands was a common occurance. A year later when the put me on salary and in an office, I was a far better engineer than any of those who missed that experience!
Will Rogers never met me.
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There's a fundamental rule for UI design: Consider your audience. This means you have to be able put yourself in the user's shoes and figure out how to best help them use what you're providing. It's interesting that this same rule applies to writing.
I've spent most of my career doing UI for applications controlling complicated machinery. The attitude of the hardware people developing this machinery ranges from caveat emptor to open contempt. If I hear "Can't you just do a popup?" one more time, blood will spill.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I have been preaching this exact same thing for 30+ years. IF you want something to work better. Force the programmers/tech people to actually do the job.
Interestingly enough. The CEO or a local very large Grocery store got vilified for forcing his IT staff to do that exact same thing a few years ago. But it was the right idea! Make them use what they produce. They will then go make it better.
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
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I remember a contract where I was not allowed to talk to the end user and there was no such thing as a BA. All information came through a manager. Needless to say it was a total disaster and is the only time I ended up in court over a design 
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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