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BryanFazekas wrote: I'd talk the next client into buying what I need for that contract.
I know a guy who does house renovations for a living. If there's an unusual tool he doesn't already have but needs for a job, he buys it and keeps it (or rents it for the duration needed if he knows he's never gonna use it ever again, or so rarely he can't justify the purchase). He doesn't make the customer buy it and then hand it over when the job's done. The customer has no need for the tool.
Things might be different in the software world; if you need a license to use some software, and the customer needs to run that software, this makes sense...but books? Even though you hand it to the customer after the job's done, you don't wipe out from your mind what you've learned from the book. You're the main beneficiary. And the customer (in all likelihood) also has no need for the book.
But, I've never done any contracting...maybe I'd change my mind if I was, or was working on stuff I have zero interest in after the job was done. Otherwise, I'd buy, and keep.
In any case...I did get rid (last year or so) of a big pile of books, maybe 5 feet high if I had stacked them all. Clearly some stuff I'll never use again. Although the hoarder archivist in me kinda regrets throwing away at least some of them. Some were brand new (clearly I got by without reading them...) I just never had a "proper" bookshelf and the books were just taking up place in a number of boxes on the floor of a closet. Otherwise I probably would've hung onto a few of them (some I was happy to be rid of).
What annoyed me the most is that I had checked with my local library to see if they'd take them, rather than sending them for recycling (which I know in some cases still end up in a landfill anyway). They wouldn't take anything older than 5 years. Yet these are the same people who are constantly complaining they're underfunded. They weren't junk, and I'm sure if I had bothered I might have found some buyers, even if only for historical value.
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Old books are of two general types:
1. Programming-language specific
2. Language-agnostic like Algorithms, Maths, OS theory, etc.
Type 2 books are less likely to have expiry dates, IMHO.
(Of course, fiction, history, etc. books are of a different realm altogether).
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Over the last several years I have thinned my herd of technical books quite a bit. Here at work I have about 18 inches of shelf. At home it's about half a dozen volumes, a couple of college textbooks from 40 years ago plus some 'work' technical stuff.
I recently dumped a couple boxes of technical books I had stored at home. MS-DOS references, internals, and undocumented stuff. I used a lot of this back in the 90's at work.
Software Zen: delete this;
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They are great for target practice.
My in-laws would shoot various guns on Thanksgiving day -- mostly we shot clay pigeons (20 gauge and 12 gauge) but they would also haul out other guns - .44 handgun, other various rifles etc.
But often they would say, "well, let's just shoot at that twig down there about 30 yards"
It was terribly un-fun that way.
I started taking my old tech books and place 4 or 5 in front of each other.
That was a blast (literally) as you could track the bullet through the pages of the book. So cool!
Great Science
I remember they were shooting a hollow point out of the .44 pistol and the bullet hole was perfectly round on entry and halfway through an 800 page tech book but then somehwere around page 400 or so the bullet mis-formed and ripped a huge hole through the rest of the book.
So, use your old tech books for target practice.
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Side note, bales of hay don't work so well for practice with a bow and arrow. The bale will start falling apart... 
Jeremy Falcon
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Somehow this conjured up a mental image of some dumb action movie where the good guy dives behind a bale of hay for protection...
Something Weird Al would do anyway. 
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I bought very few books. The "treasured" ones are from a very long time ago; 6502 programming, manuals for UK101 etc. A bigger problem for me, now acting as several inches of loft insulation, are user manuals and course materials that I wrote, for various software vendors. Can't chuck them as probably the only copies still in existence! 😂
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Hello Derek how are you ?
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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I'm fine thanks. Haven't visited CP for a while, need to catch up... Change of routine. Good to see the CCC is back - an incentive to get going by 9am!
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BryanFazekas wrote: Is there any value in books this old? WordPress is probably 12 yo and it's the youngest. ASP and XML are circa 2000, and C is circa 1990.
Yes, for historical purposes. But, not in physical format. You never know when you'll need it. Yes it's outdated tech, but for studying history it's nice to get context. Unless you know for certain you'll never, ever use that tech again.
If there are eBook versions, get those and recycle the paper version if you don't want to lug it around. It'll be searchable too. If there aren't any eBook versions, consider making an eBook out of them. There are machines that'll take care of the grunt work for you. You can use a book scanning service.
Sometimes, just sometimes, you want info that's out of print. Like when MSDN dumped all their Win32 info after .NET came out.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Like when MSDN dumped all their Win32 info after .NET came out.
MS published all of that in some "MSDN Library Archive" set, that came in two big blue CD binders. I made a point of keeping that one. This is not quite it, but very similar.
(actually I just found my copy of the disc that had the cover at the link above).
I remember also making a point of keeping the very first MSDN disc set. Grand total of 14 CDs, if I'm not mistaken. Then it quickly ballooned to hundreds of discs.
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I had forgotten about Smalltalk, heard of it many years ago but, like others, didn't do anything with it.
Downloaded Squeak, already have a germ of an app that I might try.
A home without books is a body without soul. Marcus Tullius Cicero
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I knew some developers who used SmallTalk about twenty years ago.
Never saw it myself.
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Yuk, a horrible mess of a language. Makes APL read like a Ladybird* book.
*Ladybird publish(ed) guides for children on many subjects.
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Quote: Yuk, a horrible mess of a language. Makes APL read like a Ladybird* book.
Used APL for some simulation stuff (way) back in the day.
You can always tell an APL programmer... but not much.
Lou
>64
It’s weird being the same age as old people. Live every day like it is your last; one day, it will be.
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"Things came to a head when someone swapped 12 of the APL keyboard keys around."
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Still watching the video, but 100% agree with the concepts. I've been a long time advocate of saying you can achieve some OOP (as we've some to understand it) in C.
Some n00bs will say no you can't, but you can... just not with "classes" but with the principles of OOP. Of course not everything that C++ does and it's more theory/abstractions/conventions than something tangible. But, you can still get some of those principles across... if you understand the principles and don't just memorize syntax.
I'd elaborate on it, but I don't wanna. Don't have the juice for another "argument" online. Privately I would though.
Jeremy Falcon
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(another minimalist clue)
Pinch fitting. (11)
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Appropriate ?
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Nicked! I'll try a different style on Friday.
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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I posted a similar one some time back
Unfit home fit (13)
Inappropriate
Mine didn't last long either 
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Nice one!
My car is in for it's MOT, so I only just saw it. I need to get into the habit of looking at 09:00 again... 
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I have looked at these before and could never figure them out. I am looking at these last few that are posted and I still cannot figure it out.
Can you explain, for us simple minded country bumpkins, how “pinch fitting” becomes “appropriate”?
Maybe I need to work on my vocabulary
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