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and btw, if you think the points do not matter, why not cancel them at all at code project?
Nick Polyak
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Sorry, I've been away for a while. I think this is an excellent idea. All that should matter about an article is, is it good or not.
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Roman emperor Claudius (who was not considered one of the brightest emperors) once said he does not care about the court procedure he just wants to punish the guilty and reward the innocent. Sorry, but your statement reminded me of that. There is no way to determine who is guilty and who is innocent without a court. There is no way to figure out which article is good and which one is not without some reasonable ways to score them.
Nick Polyak
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Points awarded for articles are never shown on the articles themselves. All that's shown is how members rate them.
The points are personal encouragement for the members.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Yes, this is true, but when I see a member with a lot of "author" points I know that his articles are probably worth reading.
Nick Polyak
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I am in favour of a system where people only vote to say an article is worthwhile. That way the voting games on articles are removed.
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This is something Hans and myself have discussed. My one problem is that an "out of 5" voting system makes it very clear, at a glance, what the consensus is on an article, whereas a value of N thumbs-up just gives you an absolute number with no context. Is 10 good? 100? 1000? What if 10 people liked it but 1000 people didn't?
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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It's always going to be a judgement call for the reader, but perhaps if the emphasis is moved to views and usefulness you could achieve the same, e.g. 10,000,000 people viewed this article and only one found it useful. With the voting games, good articles can be swamped by downvotes of people who are just trying to boost their own articles in the initial two weeks. It's all very well saying that good articles will recover, but they will only do so if they are seen and this is something that becomes problematic when a quick couple of downvotes knocks them off the first page on the day of release.
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I am kind of proud of my recent PRISM articles and happy that they received a bunch of votes, bookmarks and quite a lot of downloads. The good reception (which increased my score) is definitely a motivator for me to write more articles.
I have not experienced the "voting games" as you called them, but if they do happen, perhaps the site can require that those who vote 1 should explain themselves. Another solution can be that negative outliers are not counted in until they constitute a sizable percentage of the votes.
Nick Polyak
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Nick Polyak wrote: those who vote 1 should explain themselves
Already in place
Nick Polyak wrote: negative outliers are not counted in until they constitute a sizable percentage of the votes.
We have played with this extensively and there is a very small, but real problem of negative votes from a true expert who may know the topic better than the author being completely hidden due to more popular votes.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Not sure about historical downloads, but keeping track of who downloaded what when shouldn't be too hard, considering you must be logged in to download anything.
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What about if a new version of the same file is uploaded?
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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It does not matter, it can be per user per article or it can be per user per version per article. More important to prevent the ability to download the same file by the same person indefinitely.
Nick Polyak
modified on Tuesday, May 3, 2011 12:16 AM
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Thanks for the catch. That tawdry WINKS LONDON ... they have been manhandled off the site.
As a side note, bless your heart for wandering around the Press Releases. There aren't many people who would dare enter that wood.
Thanks,
Sean Ewington
The Code Project
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I suggest, to show only one update entry per day/author on the home page.
An advanced mode could be, to group the daily author updates into the latest/newest entry.
[Edit] Trick/Alternate(s) should also be grouped.
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Why?
An updated article is an updated article.
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The article update section is a prominent area for new articles.
If an author updates multiple articles consecutively, any previous published article has a much smaller presentation time slot.
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So an author that updates multiple articles gets penalized?
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No. The newest article would be visible. Also a grouping option disarms a penalization.
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Oh, I see.
If the "grouping option" was something like a "+" expando block, then that would make sense.
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As an author, if I post(or update) two articles I will very much want to see those two articles listed.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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26 Apr 2011 7:26 PM Object Associated File 5
Got that in my reputation history. The "Event" and "Reputation" cells were empty.
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It seems, that article downloads are affecting now the reputation.
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Jani Giannoudis wrote: It seems, that article downloads are affecting now the reputation.
Ah that makes sense. Thanks Jani!
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