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Better get used to the idea that everything is a freakin' webpage  It's the future..
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Alex Marbus
www.marbus.net
But then again, I could be wrong.
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Why must the future suck ? Why must we have Bill Gates version of the future, no option ?
Christian
Secrets of a happy marriage #27:
Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
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Why are you being so short-sighted? (Don't know if that word is allright, I'm not English. Sorry if it's not)
First of all, it's not Bill Gates; it's the company Microsoft.
Microsoft just happen to deliver good software (mostly) that meets a lot of customers requirements. Ain't nothing wrong with that?
Ofcourse there is an option; nobody forces you to use Microsoft products.
The only thing I agree with you, it the secret of a happy marriage
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Alex Marbus
www.marbus.net
But then again, I could be wrong.
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Microsoft deliver mediocre software that gets better over time as they make the sort of investment in it that should occur before release. Do you use templaes much ? Tried to use VC++ with no service pack ?
I'm surprised there are viable options to M$ in your part of the world, over here that is not the case if you want to find work. There are probably only slightly more people employed in Australia to write Mac or Linux code than there are OS/2 programmers.
And if you've never gone to war with Active Desktop ( your desktop is a web page ) then I am in awe.
Christian
Secrets of a happy marriage #27:
Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
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Microsoft deliver mediocre software that gets better over time as they make the sort of investment in it that should occur before release. Do you use templaes much ? Tried to use VC++ with no service pack ?
Ever tried to use MacOS X or Linux 2 years ago? MacApp on the Mac, Gimp on Linux, etc. Every software has some bugs and 'diseases', no application is perfect when it's released. That's where servicepacks and updates are for.
Active Desktop is indeed something I had some fights with. And ofcourse there are a lot of things in Windows where I'm not happy about, but generally speaking, I think it's still a lot better than any alternative out there.
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Alex Marbus
www.marbus.net
But then again, I could be wrong.
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Active Desktop is indeed something I had some fights with. And ofcourse there are a lot of things in Windows where I'm not happy about,
So we agree then that having everything a web page is not necessarily a good idea, but you wanted to argue because I was mean about Microsoft ?
Christian
Secrets of a happy marriage #27:
Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
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So we agree then that having everything a web page is not necessarily a good idea, but you wanted to argue because I was mean about Microsoft?
No, not at all. Actually, I don't want to argue at all 
What I was trying to say is that Active Desktop at this moment is not the way it should be. The idea of turning your desktop into a webpage is a great idea, it's just too slow and too instable the way it is at this moment.
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Alex Marbus
www.marbus.net
But then again, I could be wrong.
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> Of course there is an option; nobody forces you to use Microsoft products.
I'm not anti-Microsoft, but that line is the most commonly used bit of BS in any discussion group.
Nobody forces me to buy a car either, but how far do I get without one?
If I didn't have to earn a living or communicate with others, maybe I could live without it.
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Nobody forces me to buy a car either, but how far do I get without one?
I'm sure you'll get quite far with a bicycle, motorcycle or by foot.. in the same way that you could make a living and/or communicate with others if you were using Sun's Solaris, Linux (or any other Unix-wannabe-with-GUI), Unix, MacOS, whatever.
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Alex Marbus
www.marbus.net
But then again, I could be wrong.
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I sure hope not. The web as we know it will be dead in a few years - it is just distributed paper in it's current form. Could be far more powerful if this web services (really network services - has nothing to do with the 'web') thingy takes off. I think it will in a big way.
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Oh please god no!
I'm from the old school, html is good for documents - Visual C++ and proper windows (HWNDs) are good for applications.
I'm currently working for a company that has decided to write all there future inhouse applications using HTML/JavaScript/Java Servlets. What would have been a nice quick project in VB/VC has turned into a complete nightmare for them. I mean I could understand if the application was to be used remotely but it's launched and interacts with a FoxPro 5 app for goodness sake.
Lots of buzz words and little brains make for a dangerous combination.
Sorry just had to get that off my chest. It's been annoying me for a while.
(Now if I could only get them to rewrite it in .NET using C# and ASP.NET with ADO.NET and FISHING.NET and FOOTBALL.NET and TENNIS.NET and BASKETBALL.NET and NET.BALL .... oh you get the idea)
Michael
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Oops, maybe I did not express right what I was trying to say.
Ofcourse, there is no other language than C++ (talking about little brains  ). But we can't avoid having HTML as the interface to the user. It will be the future, and it is so much more clear to the user, because it almost all looks the same.
Like the other .NET ideas of you
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Alex Marbus
www.marbus.net
But then again, I could be wrong.
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.. I love companies like this.
The more places whose marketing departments are allowed access to the keys for mission control and the self distruct button the better chance I/we have in creating MS#2, Sun#2, etc.
I'm more than happy to teach them as many buzzwords as possible, but they don't usuallly need the help.
C++/C# Student.
Wither Thee VB.Net.
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I guess that's because you don't know what you talk about.
Sorry, but I just had to say it.
I'm *so* tired og hearing people say stuff like that.
If you really hate windows that much, why do you program for it 
- Anders
Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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I agree with the full 100 percent.
yeah, let's start a fight here I'm kidding ofcourse, but I do believe that it's okay to give your opinion about an OS or any other software (or even hardware), as long as you give arguments why it's bad. We don't have to agree with it, but if you explain why it's bad (in your eyes) we can understand your problem and try to see things through your eyes.
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Alex Marbus
www.marbus.net
But then again, I could be wrong.
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Your sig says money talks, but you obviously don't believe it. I program for Windows because that is where the money is. I haven't really looked at the alternatives enough to comment on them, precisely because I know that they are unlikely to provide a way to feed and clothe my family.
Christian
Secrets of a happy marriage #27:
Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
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Get Linux and convince your boss of it's capability, i'm developing programs on Linux for 2 years now and in 99% of the cases where things go saur it was my own fault.
Try that on your average winx machin. My life certainly got a lot better.
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I was stupid enough to listen to some of these penguin lovers, and installed Mandrake 7.2 on my second hard-drive  It is less stable then Windows 3.0. Not to mention its incomplete and out of date documentation. Now, I don't know about XP, but Win 2k is a great OS: stable, easy to use and well documented.
I vote pro drink 
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You mean "sour"? For the record, anytime ANYTHING goes sour on my machine (be it Linux or Windows - and yes, I use both) it's been my fault. So, what's your point?
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I have to agree with Nemanja; I installed a couple of Linux-flavours and they just don't get stable. I can't understand why that OS ever became so famous.
I'm not pro-Windows or pro-Microsoft at all; there are a lot of great OSes out there (BeOS, Atheos, hell even MacOS (not X)), Linux just ain't one of them.
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Alex Marbus
www.marbus.net
But then again, I could be wrong.
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Ever try to develop on MacOS?
I've never had to reboot a machine so many times in my life. Developing on MacOS made me appreciate developing under NT.
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As a matter affect, yes I have. And you're right, whenever you do something 'stupid' (memory-related) you have to reboot (Same goes for Win9x/ME).
OTOH: I don't think the OS is really bad at all, and for a normal user point of view it's far more stable than all Linux-flavors I've worked with.
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Alex Marbus
www.marbus.net
But then again, I could be wrong.
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I can't understand why that OS ever became so famous
Because it's free and you get to see the source code
cheers,
Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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You can see the free code in Windows. That is, if you are familiar with assembler.
I vote pro drink
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Will that be the only reason? In that case, I pass.
I've never worried about paying a (reasonable) price for software and/or OSes. And I don't care about the sourcecode of Windows, I have enough help using the MSDN Library.
Better to pay something for a product that is stable and written by a number of developers who know what they're doing, than using free stuff written by a huge number of kids who consider it 'My First Project'.
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Alex Marbus
www.marbus.net
But then again, I could be wrong.
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