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'nuff said!
Unless he doesn't want to.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi
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Make nominations and discuss.
Jason Henderson My articles
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Tom Welch has my full support!
CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote:
...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner.
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Roger has written alot of articles, and should be considered if he feels motivated.
CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote:
...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner.
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Yikes! 
I do have a lot of relevent experience in the area, but I should be considered as a last resort. I do suffer from lack of time for extra-time projects outside of work, this is why my article pipeline is currently stalled (with about 5 pending/semi researched articles in it).
I also have not really had any experience running a team having been a stand-alone programmer most of my career - until the last year, where I didn't want the management role as there can be too much sh!t to take care of.
That said, if I did end up as the leader, I do have a semi-system worked out for it.
Roger Allen
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nominate and discuss
Jason Henderson My articles
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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I'll second the vote for Marc, if he's interested.
Michael
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He's got my 5. I don't mind as long as I can have some input - I do have a bunch of ideas in this area, which is why I suggested it.
As always, if you don't want any messages here, let me know, but you did say nominate and discuss...
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi
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I don't really know anyone at CP's particular giftings... But what I do know is that UGLY and the Framework will not stay appart for long so presumable the leaders need to be able to work together as a pair.
Also which of you people out there have any experiance in leadership??
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Joel Holdsworth wrote:
Also which of you people out there have any experiance in leadership??
This is very important. Although I have good programming skills, I'm not too good at leadership. Jason Henderson seems to be a good leader, but we may need him for the general coordination and the coordination between teams. 
Maybe we could have the people with leadership experience speak up, because right now we really don't know people's backgrounds very well.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi
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Joel Holdsworth wrote:
Also which of you people out there have any experiance in leadership??
Isn't Paul Watson one of those Manager thingies? Get his name up there somewhere...
Shog9
So much he don't understand,
Just might never make it to a man...
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I was just reviewing the suggested users for project leaders. I have no argument against any of them, but was wondering if you knew of any relevant experience they have that would make them so suitable for the role for that project.
Marc has a goos article record in the C#/.NET area which should help towards a Application Framework project.
Tom only has the 2 articles in areas not really related to the UGLY project, although he does list many technologies which are applicable to this kind of project.
Anders - I didn't really look upm as the defect tracking is not a project I would personally want to work on - I am an UGLY man most probably 
If these people or any others who get put forward as possible project leaders could give an overview of what they can bring to the role would be good to see and help in the voting.
Oh well, hope I havn't upset your thread(s) too much. 
Roger Allen
Sonork 100.10016
Were you different as a kid? Did you ever say "Ooohhh, shiny red" even once? - Paul Watson 11-February-2003
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Good question, and the answer is no, I haven't done a thourough background check on any of them except Marc. The FBI told me he was trustworthy.
Seriously though, if you feel like you have more experience or would rather see someone else take the role, then by all means nominate them. I chose these guys because they either originated the idea or showed great interest.
Responding to this thread is fine. I would just rather keep discussions controlled so we can stay focused. I hope I'm not coming across as a tyrant. 
Jason Henderson My articles
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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I haven't done a thourough background check on any of them except Marc. The FBI told me he was trustworthy.
Yes! I must have succeeded in deleting my case file from the FBI! Mwahahahah!
I'm more than happy (and honored!) to fill the project lead role, if that's what everyone decides on. If anyone is curious as to what else I've done, I can send them my resume. I also don't want to cram the AAL concept down anyone's throat, so if anyone is wondering, I think the idea here would be to get everyone's input an concensus on what an Application Framework should look like, etc.
Marc
P.S. My other post went to the wrong thread. I'm sure that was my fault. 
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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Like Marc, I would be happy, and honored, if people would like me to be project lead.
If anyone is interested, just send me a mail, or reply here, then I'll send a copy of my cv.
- Anders
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Anders Molin wrote:
I'll send a copy of my cv.
Could you please send it to me?
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Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability
to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable
for their apparent disinclination to do so. (Douglas Adams)
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What is happening here ? What have I missed ? I've co-incidentally been thinking about starting a defect tracking tool ( in J2EE, but that died, so I'm moving to ASP.NET ). If something is happening here I can be part of, that sounds cool.
Note: I am interested in joining in, I'm not putting myself forward to *run* something.
Christian
NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma
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OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window.
I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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Christian Graus wrote:
What have I missed ?
What have you been in on? 
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi
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This is CP2 or Code Project Projects and idea that kind of caught everyone's fancy. Basically, its 3 collaborative projects with about 58 (counting you) volunteers so far. Actually, I'm sure half of those volunteers will drop out, so we'll be left with a manageble number of people across 3 projects.
Read through the messages and if you would like to add anything, post it to my personal message board here at CP.
Jason Henderson My articles
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Score, IDEAS for CPP, (# votes)
3.9 Defect Tracking/Source Versioning (32)
3.8 Universal Gui LibrarY (40)
3.7 Application Framework (31)
3.5 project management system (25)
3.1 ASP.NET web controls replacement library (29)
3.1 threads and multi-processors (26)
3.1 CP Community Tools (24)
3.0 Alife/AI (26)
2.8 Code snippet library (23)
2.0 online task manager (20)
Also, so chaos does not reign supreme, I prefer to start all new discussions. Please post ALL request for comments (RFC) <a href="http://www.codeproject.com/script/profile/whos_who.asp?id=36966&df=100&forumid=5105&app=50&select=513418#xx513418xx">here</a>[<a target=_blank title='New Window' href="http://www.codeproject.com/script/profile/whos_who.asp?id=36966&df=100&forumid=5105&app=50&select=513418#xx513418xx">^</a>]. If you start your own thread, I will ask you to remove it. There will come a time when CPP discussions will be completely open, but not yet. Of course, I have no real authority other than what you people give me or what I try to take, so I am asking you to please do as I ask.
Thank you all for your civility thus far.
Jason Henderson My articles
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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The second vote was a good idea. We got a better voter turnout, + we gave people time to re-consider their votes.
Jason Henderson wrote:
Also, so chaos does not reign supreme, I prefer to start all new discussions.
That's fine.
Let me know if you don't want this here, and I can delete it.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi
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jdunlap wrote:
Let me know if you don't want this here, and I can delete it.
This is fine. I just want to start new threads in this forum about CPP and I don't want other forums being used for it either. We will have one place to go for updates and discussion until the projects are kicked off.
Jason Henderson My articles
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Well, here's my first logo...
Here it is...[^]
If you have some suggestions, let me know.
BTW, I can easily replace "SmartUI" with "UGLY". 
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi
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Not bad, jdunlap!
Why don't you make another one with UGLY.
Then we will see the differens. And we will vote, don't worry.
jhaga
CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote:
...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner.
...Good heavens!
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