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There should have been an "all of the above" option available somwhere in this survey.
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I've been using Visual Studio 2010 since I had to move onto Windows 7.
The WPF interface is very pretty, but it's lowered overall performance quite a lot. I remember on VC2008 the intellisense and responsiveness was instantaneous, and the loading of large project files was extremely fast. However, with the interface having to render so much, it's caused the interface to load much, much slower.
On top of this, whether it's related to the interface change, my copy of VC2010 seems to crash frequently. Mainly when trying to load large structures or classes, or trying to access pointer data across multiple files.
One final thing is, that with WPF rendering the editor in anti-alias mode by default (effectively disabling the ability to remove anti-aliasing without turning off text smooth rendering system wide), it can sometimes be difficult when sitting and programming, to read text. Sometimes text becomes increasingly difficult to read as you sit and look at the screen, causing some problems with projects.
I can't say i'm too impressed right now with VC2010, but i'll see about the upgrade when a more stable version is released, hopefully some of the cons will be improved on.
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The RTM version is much faster than the Beta and RC versions
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Personally I checked all the options (except the last: "I expect nothing to be improved"). What I hope for and what I expect are likely different things, but I'm surprised there's people out there hoping to expect nothing to be improved, but maybe that's sensible, the lower your expectations, the less likely they are to be dashed.
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Ahh. I misread the question as I answered "I expect nothing to be improved". That was not my exact answer as I expect something to be better but I also expect bugs that will limit usability in some way.
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There are two questions.
"What are you actually expecting from Visual Studio 2010 now that it's been unleashed on us developers?" was the one I answered.
"What are you hoping for?" Did not answer that..
Rob Grainger wrote: I hope for and what I expect are likely different things
I agree these are different questions and I would answer differently for each.
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John
modified on Thursday, April 22, 2010 4:14 PM
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I submitted multiple bug reports for VS2K8. At least one of them is claimed to be fixed in VS2K10. I would hope that they put considerable effort into fixing the crashes, the looooooooooooong waits, the display bugs, as well as anything else I've missed.
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CSharpner.com wrote: the display bugs
Didn't they scrap the GUI and replace it with a WPF solution.
John
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Yes. And we lost bitmapped fonts in the process in our choice of editor fonts since WPF doesn't support bitmapped fonts. So, now I've lost my favorite editor font of all time "FixedSys". Consolis seems to be somewhat acceptable, but I really want my FixedSys back. Oh! Had to go through the entire long list of "display items" for that font and set them all to bold. If it's not bold, it's difficult for me to read.
I haven't run into any bugs YET (but I JUST started using it a couple days ago
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I just acquired this new visual studio 2010 professional. I am looking forward to try out the test unit that comes with this package.
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We have a stubborn admin who doesn't give us new versions till the bugs are out, so we always have to wait a year or so. We have enough bugs of our own without having to find Microsoft's as well. I do like new versions though, just for the novelty.
I am still waiting for Visual C++ to have the brilliant ability to push the debugger pointer back a few lines, change a variable, and let it try again. You can do it in Visual Basic.
Microsoft or not, we're stuck with it. Hey, better than hand-editing with vi.
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download trial version of 2010 or express editions.
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Unfortunately we don't get a choice in this. The customer tells us what to use. As a rule our admin (who is a saint and a genius) knows what he's doing.
If I downloaded 2010 I would only be unhappy about what I am missing!
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Sounds like wise management to me. Adopting new versions too early feels a lot like being a beta tester at times in this day and age.
Steve
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If you have to ask, no.
The Ultimate edition basically targets "it's more expensive for us to figure out what we need, than just buing the most expensive one".
It's a professional developers tool, I guess the market isn't that big. (Dario told me of an estimate of half a million companies for windows development - but most of them will probably swing by with express edition and pirated copies - if they rely on VS at all).
MS was very ambitous with one IDE for everything. It sounds like a good idea and a great effort saver in theory, but from experience, the little differences drive up cost. As someone noted poignantly, we share 96% of our genes with chimps - but the knack is in the difference.
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If I am not mistaking that also includes all the TFS stuff also. I am not sure if everyone on the TEAM needs to get that or if you can purchase a mixture to get your team set up.
I do agree though, MS is starting to price themselves a bit high. But they Do offer programs like Bizspark and others to help out here a bit.
Going through this right now myself in fact.
Don't have all the answers yet either.
It's gotten much more confusing now that they 'bundle' stuff together.
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TFS is going for free with every edition of VS2010. Plus MS SQL 2008 and Windows 2008 that comes with TFS.
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Really, I just installed our MSDN copy of VS2010 Ultimate and can find no sign of TFS "out-of-the-box".
(Of course through MSDN we can download this, but it does lead to me think that the server components of TFS are not in VS2010).
Browsing through MS's website's, this is a really hard thing to be sure of - a bad thing when they're trying to persuade people to part with $10K
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I never said that it's installing along with vs2010
All I said is that with every commercial version of vs2010 you get license for TFS 2010. But yes, you have to download and install it separately.
On the other hand, Team Explorer is included in vs2010 installation and will be available without any additional moves on your part.
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Thanks, that clears it up - I was wondering!
(I didn't expect it to install by default, but thought it may be on the ISO).
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Not only Ultimate but all the VS10 edition's price should be lower.
It is way to high to buy now and guest what every 2 years MS comes with its new version.
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Since these are Microsoft products I expect that the bells and whistles they added to have several bugs that get fixed by the weekly updates.
There will be things that eventually will make a difference but you will need to have a new project to try them out on.
Sorry for the rant but I have been disappointed by the hype given Microsoft products in the past.
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djj55 wrote: Since these are Microsoft products I expect that the bells and whistles they added to have several bugs that get fixed by the weekly updates.
I expect a lot of hotfixes to make standard functionality not crash the GUI.
John
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djj55 wrote: several bugs that get fixed by the weekly updates
What do you mean weekly? That would be brilliant if it was that often!
Kevin
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