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Have you EVER seen "the blue screen of death" on Windows 2000? I have not.
I vote pro drink 
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I have....
But, it might have been because I was playing around with some beta drivers. 
- Anders
Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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I really do not believe you, for the simple reason that Win2K doesn't have a BSOD. In the worst case, you see a black screen with some kind of 'kernel panic'.
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Alex Marbus
www.marbus.net
But then again, I could be wrong.
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Trust me Alex - W2K definitely has a BSOD.
I tried to install a Zio USB Smart Media reader on my Dell Laptop running W2K Server, and it turns that the combination of W2K Server and Dell laptops was the one combination that the drivers for the card reader didn't like. Result - one very blue screen 
I don't know enough about drivers and W2K architecture, but surely it's possible for an OS to kick a driver out of memory if it fails instead of dying so comprehensively? I don't geddit...
cheers,
Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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It's the same as a kernel panic in Linux or any unix. When a driver is running in critical sections of the kernel, the kernel has no choice but to dump core when the drivers go astray, which is what a NT BSOD is. BTW, there is a very neat core dump analysis in XP that sends your core dump to MSFT and they take a look at it. Have you ever sent a core dump to Sun or HP? Basically, forget it - you will never get fixed. Microsoft's core dump analysis section looks very promising. Nice feature - of course, this will probably be viewed as anti-competitive. What will all the core dump analysis companies out there do for a living now 
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First off on a 1150DSL connection it took 5 minutes to get to the reply page when clicking on reply?!?! I wonder if my DSL provider is just sucking?
Anyways, there are companies that do core dump analysis? What are their names and web addresses? <-Really a serious question 
Sam C
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Systems Manager
Hospitality Marketing Associates
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Oops, I sure made a mistake saying Win2K doesn't have a BSOD. I was wrong, Win2K does indeed have a blue screen of death.
Nevertheless, BSOD's usually occur because of bad software/hardware or a combination of both. Windows itself will never display a BSOD out of the blue.
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Alex Marbus
www.marbus.net
But then again, I could be wrong.
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Just to cheer yours and my day Alex, Windows 2000 BSOD hit me "out of the blue" just last week. I've not installed anything in the last few weeks.
It doesn't happen anything like as often as NT though.
Jon
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Yeah, you're right. I should have say that without doing some research first. I apologize.
Nevertheless, I'm still Pro-Win2K
(Forgot to login)
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Trust me, the screen is very blue...
- Anders
Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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You're right (see my reaction to Chris in this thread).
I apologize for making such a statement without doing some 'research'.
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Alex Marbus
www.marbus.net
But then again, I could be wrong.
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Yup, I've also had one. Just the other day, in fact. I do tend to experiment with that machine, but as soon as I pressed F8 and restored the last known good config (even without the emergency disk) everything was OK again. W2K is a VERY good OS, better than Linux, IMHO. Linux has a problem... no-one will REALLY support it. Users, can't use it. With all the usability stuff the media are throwing at the industry, it's going to be a LONG time before a UNIX variant becomes mainstream.
Cheers,
Karim.
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Multiple times. I can write a program that will crash 2000. Yes I'm that good Several crashes were from bad hardware but some were not.
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I've had an even worse problem: spontaneous reboots, caused by a bad graphics driver, which caused source code files on my system to be corrupted, etc. This is on Win2K.
This was not a driver under development - it was the production ATI Rage drivers that came with my Dell. I was trying to debug graphics code and it turned out that certain types of memory leaks took the system down like a sub.
Fortunately a driver update solved the problem,but nobody at Dell could help me.
Point is: it might be hard to crash the new versions of Windows, but it's not impossible.
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I have installed Win2000 4 times. I had very bad luck with it. The OS would work for a while but on some gloomy morning I would turn on the computer and during the time of loading all of OS's VXDs and DLLs I would get an error message that the system registry file is corrupted. Dead. I wasn't able to recover from it. None of Windows recover utilities helped me. When I experienced this problem the second time I even had a back up of the file. So I went into this "terminal" mode and copied the corrupted file over. But still I had the same problem. That was a few months ago. From then on I stick with WinMe. It crashes time to time and svrmgr32 process sometime takes up to 5 minutes to startup, making my OS start so much longer. But at least it does not unrecoverable die on me.
Well this is my experience. If only HP-UX had a better user interface and cheaper hardware. I made this OS mad (didn't actually kill it, never have, never seen happened) only ones while debugging a multithreaded server and the debugger tried to return out of a method that was suppose to return a value but didn't and HP aCC compiler let it built.
Chhers,
Marat
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You can't blame the flakiness of Windows completely on Microsoft. The hardware/driver manufacturers had a BIG hand in the stability problems.
Like I said, Windows as a concept is a good thing for everyone, but I think Microsoft is no longer concerned with making Windows better than it was. They're more interested in the money they can extort from their users.
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> windows != qualityOS...never has been and probably never will be
Never is a very strong word - even when you are talking about  Microsoft.
Even a blind dog finds a bone once in a while.
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I think Windows (as a concept) is a "good thing" (tm). It provides a common programming platform for developers, and it provides a somewhat standard user interface for end-users, and shields end-users from the intricasies of the DOS command line.
What I *don't* like is being told that I have to rent the OS, or that everything is a freakin web page. Before XP, we could upgrade pretty much when we wanted to. Once Microsoft gets everyone on the XP bandwagon, that choice is completely out of our hands. I also don't like the way Microsoft bullies its competitors, or failing that buys them out and shelves their products.
I don't know anyone that can truthfully say that the idea behind Windows is bad.
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Before XP, we could upgrade pretty much when we wanted to. Once Microsoft gets everyone on the XP bandwagon, that choice is completely out of our hands.
Sorry, but could you please explain what you mean. Upgrade hardware, windows or...?
- Anders
Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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When you make a significant change to your hardware configuration, you have to get a new activation key for XP. When Microsoft decides it doesn't want to provide activation keys for XP any more, your investment in the OS including hardware upgrades because it didn't support one or more of your existing devices) goes completely down the dumper, and you haven't got a thing to say about it.
Aren't you keeping up with the industry?
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I can see what you mean.
Personally I don't think it's going to be a problem, I mean, MS isn't stupid.
- Anders
Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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No, they are not stupid. So when they have Windows WQ to sell you, do you think they will give you a key to activate XP, when they could just say 'we don't support that OS anymore, you'll need to buy the new one'
Product activation is a response to the fact that our OS and Office software pretty much do everything the average home user is likely to want, so they are going to have to go to a model that *forces* us to buy the latest piece of bloat full of useless 'features'. XP looks pretty nice, but I don't have any reason to leave my beloved W2000, and I like the fact I can choose when I do so. John is right, it's in M$ best interest to make that no longer the case.
Christian
Secrets of a happy marriage #27:
Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
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Hmmm, I don't know if they would stop the option to activate XP, when they stop supporting it.
I guess only time will tell...
- Anders
Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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One would hope in that situation they would release the activation key generation program to the public so they could generate their own activation keys.
Sure, that'll happen. 
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Better get used to the idea that everything is a freakin' webpage It's the future..
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Alex Marbus
www.marbus.net
But then again, I could be wrong.
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