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At college in 1989 we had a Prime minicomputer - not sure which model - but we were made to write Pascal on it.
At one job we used HP-UX workstations talking to a Meiko Computing Surface, a 'supercomputer' comprising of a large wardrobe like box of INMOS transputers, that was fun (for some definition of fun).
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Hmm. From the top: HP 1000 minicomputer, IBM 360 mainframes, DEC PDP-11 mini, DEC VAX-11/780 superminis, Data General Nova 4, 8085 microprocessors, Z-80 microprocessors, 6800 microprocessors, 8088, ...
Software Zen: delete this;
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Throw in the IBM 1800 Process Control System (360 era). Big brother to the 1130.
Mid 60's.
Arguing with a woman is like reading the Software License Agreement. In the end, you ignore everything and click "I agree".
Anonymous
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PDP-11, but Beard's not completely grey yet!
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I'm obviously not quite as grey-bearded as you, but minicomputers were an obvious omission for me, as well as 80's "Workstation" class unix boxes that were meant for a single user, but more closely related to minicomputers than to desktops of the era. I started my career writing assembly language on Data General MV Series, and also did a stint writing assembly for DEC VAX. Before either of those, I spent a few months each working on IBM Mainframes (as an intern) and early Silicon Graphics IRIS workstations (as a temp tech support person at SGI). I think the distinction between mainframe and minicomputer is completely lost on most people who didn't actually work on them.
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I've worked on a Tandem, before they were bought by Compaq.
Still have my single fault tolerant Tandem mug too.
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I recognize a number of those machines but I've only messed with the PDP-11. I'm an electrical engineer that got interested in microprocessors back in the 70's. Basically all my 'real' programming has been in the embedded world. 6800 family, 8080, z80, 8051 and derivatives, 68000 family, TI DSPs, TI Tiva family and numerous Windows utilities and scripts. Low level programing and DSP algorithms are the most 'fun'.
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The IBM 709/7090 series (Fortran before it needed an number); CDC 3600 and 6600(COBOL and assembler); IMSAI to write firmware for the Z80 processor; PDP-8, etc.
Is that snappy enough?
Joan F Silverston (Grey but not bearded)
jsilverston@cox.net
nhswinc.com
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Mea Culpa! I was taken to task in several personal messages regarding my use of the term "grey-beard:"
- The term is sexist, implying that only men need apply.
- I used the British spelling. I should have used "graybeards."
- The term should only be used in reference to wizards.
As a self-described English major, what is your opinion?
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© 2009, Rex Hammock
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Thanks for the culpa acknowledgement. (4 years of Latin, too). I think there were more women in tech back in the 60's than there are now and as I have aged I find myself more alert to male forgetfulness.
I don't think of myself as a witch but I do enjoy being a crabby old lady who can still code, in C++ rather than assembler.
I prefer the spelling grey; it just seems gloomier.
Joan F Silverston
jsilverston@cox.net
nhswinc.com
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You are correct. Back when I started in programming, there were more women programmers. Over the years, one by one they dropped by the wayside and were not replaced by new college graduates. HR offices at companies where I worked were not getting enough applications from women and the trend was downward.
National Public Radio (NPR), in their Planet Money series, even wrote an article about it: When Women Stopped Coding[^].
In addition to the pressures mentioned in the article, there is the question of terminology. As long as it was called "computer science," it was at least somewhat attractive to women. When they started calling it by the more masculine term "software engineering" or "computer engineering," it became a total turn-off.
Also, inside companies there was (and often, still is) pressure to "move up the ranks" or move out. Many of us did not and still do not want to be a manager — we want to program! This resulted in a Hobson's Choice – either one of us had to become manager or they brought in some idiot from the outside who did not understand what we did. Either way, the result was often a poor manager who drove many of us into new jobs or other lines of work. While this thinned the ranks of both men and women, because there were fewer women, they virtually disappeared.
If you wish to take this discussion off-line, use the email link below.
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Lord, grant me the serenity to accept that there are some things I just can’t keep up with, the determination to keep up with the things I must keep up with, and the wisdom to find a good RSS feed from someone who keeps up with what I’d like to, but just don’t have the damn bandwidth to handle right now.
© 2009, Rex Hammock
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One more for the list: MODCOMP 16 Bit Minis used heavily by NASA and the military. Mostly Fortran for my work, but they did have a COBOL compiler also. I'm still working on them today. Two machines 35 years old and still humming along.
Kayaker
"No good deed goes unpunished."
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