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Re: I never take backups.. Anders Molin9-Jul-02 3:54 Anders Molin 9-Jul-02 3:54  50GB to back up? That's a lot. I only back up my source, images from my digital camera and some word/excel documents. Together that's aprox. 2GB. When I get too many images, I'll burn them on a CD, and exclude them from the backup. I have a HP DAT8i which I love, there is nothing better than tape for backup - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" Re: I never take backups.. James Spibey9-Jul-02 5:38 James Spibey 9-Jul-02 5:38  Unfortunately I have my entire audio collection (250+ CDs) on my PC which amounts to over 30GB of data, the other 20 is years of software, documents, v large images etc. Guess I'd better come up with something better pretty soon. Re: I never take backups.. Pettys10-Jul-02 3:29 Pettys 10-Jul-02 3:29  Seems to me that you don't need to back up the audio collection -- you have the CD's to restore from. With the software, the same is true. Most documents and very large images are static, right? So you only have to back those up once. Whatever's left should be small enough to back up regularly. Re: I never take backups.. John Burton9-Jul-02 1:49 John Burton 9-Jul-02 1:49  I'm sure I've been unlucky but on the two occasions I've seen a raid 5 system fail, it's been the controller that's failed, not the drive and it's managed to destroy all of the data on all of the disks. Making a copy is good, but I'd make sure that the copy exists on a different computer using totally separate hardware, preferably on a different site in case of theft or fire or something. Re: I never take backups.. Daniel Lohmann9-Jul-02 5:03 Daniel Lohmann 9-Jul-02 5:03  This is a common, but also very risky way to do backups. Among all those really good arguments against it like deleting the wrong file, virus infections, stolen machine, burning office and so on, there is also another important thing: Maybe you won't believe it, but it is true: Most hard disk failures are due to corrupt power supply, overheating, shock and other similar non-intrinsic problems. And in this cases it is very probable, that both disks die at nearly the same time! (This is also the reason why a RAID disk array is never an alternative for backups.) A good backup neads at least 3 generations of indipendent medias, that are not phyiscally connected to the machine and at least one of them should reside in a fire resistant safe or at a remote place. If you love and need your data, you should really think twice about your backup strategy! -- Daniel Lohmann http://www.losoft.de Re: I never take backups.. RChin12-Jul-02 2:23 RChin 12-Jul-02 2:23  All my company projects live on a remote SourceSafe database anyway, which I assume gets backed up everyday by the Net Admins. Any backup that I do are all personal stuff (email etc) that possibly shouldn't be there in the first place -chinster- Re: I never take backups.. Chris Maunder14-Jul-02 16:48 Chris Maunder 14-Jul-02 16:48  I class this as 'living on the edge'. What happens if you get a virus, or screw up a file that then gets mirrored to the other machine, or you have a fire in your office, or a lightning strike, or...or... cheers, Chris Maunder Release backup Tim Smith8-Jul-02 7:14 Tim Smith 8-Jul-02 7:14  When we release a new version, we also make a backup of the code tree to help insure that if required we can always rebuild that specific version. We also do weekly backups of everything and use sorcesafe. Tim Smith I know what you're thinking punk, you're thinking did he spell check this document? Well, to tell you the truth I kinda forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this here's CodeProject, the most powerful forums in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question, Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk? SourceSafe does it mostly Tom Welch8-Jul-02 7:10 Tom Welch 8-Jul-02 7:10  I use SourceSafe with the database on a different machine, so I at least have two copies. That's not even counting the history which can be really close to current. Then the server gets backed up nightly. First to a network storage array and then to digital tape. Then once a week the DAT tapes get picked up and stored in a safty deposit box. I should have a copies of everything available in case of a disaster. Re: SourceSafe does it mostly Alexandru Savescu8-Jul-02 20:32 Alexandru Savescu 8-Jul-02 20:32  It depends on the size of the disaster. Should a plane-crash occur on your building (I surely hope it does not) do you have the safty deposit box. Best regards, Alexandru Savescu Personal or professional? Elrond8-Jul-02 3:40 Elrond 8-Jul-02 3:40  There may be two answers to that: Just say that on my personal computer (where I don't do too much coding, but have a lot of data I would not like to loose), I am not doing enough backup. It is as much a matter of time than a matter of thinking about it. When it come to save data that is spread all over a lot of directories, it is not something you do in a few minutes. For my professional computer, NEVER. It is done on daily basis (I think) by the system engineer, but I never care about it my self. I do in a way by using source safe, as the base is on a network computer, but more because of the configuration management thing than for a backup purpose . Computers have enabled people to make more mistakes faster than almost any invention in history, with the possible exception of tequila and hand guns. - Carl Gundlach Daily now. One disaster in the past Roger Allen8-Jul-02 2:47 Roger Allen 8-Jul-02 2:47  Our stuff gets backed up daily through our main server. But this has only recently been on-line. People who may remember me impersonating another user when my hard disk suffered internal mechanical failure last year some time will know I suffered from a backup nightmare around then. Fortunately, through the help of a data recovery house, my skin was saved...... and also my data/code. Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 If I had a quote, it would be a very good one. Belt, suspenders, galoshes, knee pads, ... Gary Wheeler8-Jul-02 2:34 Gary Wheeler 8-Jul-02 2:34  Our SourceSafe data base sits on the company network, which is backed up nightly. Independant of this, I've got a separate box that copies/ZIPs the DB nightly to a file with a name based on the date. I keep the 10 most recent days. I have three rotating sets of the 10 files on removable media. At any given time, this gives me three sources of the DB for the last 10 days, and a fourth if I'm desperate (the backup by the IT folks). On top of all that, I backup my working directories to a Zip disk and take them home at night. Is this anal-retentive, or what? "Think of it as evolution in action." - 'Oath of Fealty' by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle Re: Belt, suspenders, galoshes, knee pads, ... Deniz Cikla8-Jul-02 20:25 Deniz Cikla 8-Jul-02 20:25  So your pretty safe unless you get hit by the cat burglar... Repository backup Rob Caldecott7-Jul-02 23:08 Rob Caldecott 7-Jul-02 23:08  All my source code is held on a UNIX CVS server which is backed up daily (with off site copies, etc. - the full works). I backup any code that hasn't been committed to CD-RW every couple of days. Creating a new system would involve installing MSVC and then checking out the latest copies of my apps. Works well. Faith. Believing in something you *know* isn't true. Backup daily JohnJ7-Jul-02 22:19 JohnJ 7-Jul-02 22:19  I'm a bit fanatical about backups - I remember the good old days of CP/M when disater and data loss always seemed to be around the corner I backup all modified files daily and then do a full backup each Sunday, so at any time I have about 4 months of backups if needed. I've been using an OnStream tape drive for about 3 years - Although a bit expensive, its turned out to be the best bit of kit I've ever bought as its saved my life on more than one occasion. The other worthwhile investment has been a UPS power supply, my location in North Wales is quite prone to thunder storms and power outages so the UPS has been invaluable Not that I'm paranoid or anything JohnJ http://www.rainbow-innov.co.uk This works for me... Anna-Jayne Metcalfe7-Jul-02 22:16 Anna-Jayne Metcalfe 7-Jul-02 22:16  I used to (attempt to) use the MS Backup Utility supplied with Win2K. I found it to be a real pain (especially the restore), with the result that I hardly ever used it. Then, about a year ago I discovered that there was a WinZip command line client which allows Zip files to be created very easily from batch files or scripts. As a result, I now have a set of simple batch files/scripts which zip up the contents of user accounts, the source code control database etc. etc. I've found the way to ensure it happens regularly is to run it as a scheduled task overnight. As the zipfiles created end up in a "backup" folder on the disk of my laptop, it's a simple matter to blat the contents off to the server in the morning or cut them to a CD-R or CD-RW as required. Andy Metcalfe - Sonardyne International Ltd Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++ "I would be careful in separating your wierdness, a good quirky weirdness, from the disturbed wierdness of people who take pleasure from PVC sheep with fruit repositories." - Paul Watson Re: This works for me... Daniel Lohmann7-Jul-02 23:05 Daniel Lohmann 7-Jul-02 23:05  The problem of this approach (and nearly all those nice little shareware backup utilities) is, that is does not take care of all those NTFS specific stuff: ACLs, hardlinks, softlinks, alternate file streams (like the file metadata on XP), sparse files, compression attributes and so on - everything that is not plain FAT compatible is lost! It depends if this is a problem or not. Usually one uses only very few of these features. However, the problem is that most people even don't know about this problem. They use a backup utility that seems to work fine and never recognize that, for example, all security settings are lost after a restore. Or that a hardlinked file is now simply duplicated and therefore wastes space and - even worse - leads to inconsistencies. Or ... I don't like NTBackup either, but I was not able to find an (affordable) alternative, yet. Daniel -- Daniel Lohmann http://www.losoft.de Re: This works for me... Anna-Jayne Metcalfe8-Jul-02 1:18 Anna-Jayne Metcalfe 8-Jul-02 1:18  Very true. Since I use it this approach for individual user account data (documents, mail and favourites, mainly), NTFS specific attributes aren't an issue for me - although they may be for others. I wouldn't advocate this approach for a complete machine backup - but it is very handy for user documents. Andy Metcalfe - Sonardyne International Ltd Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Add-In for Visual C++ "I would be careful in separating your wierdness, a good quirky weirdness, from the disturbed wierdness of people who take pleasure from PVC sheep with fruit repositories." - Paul Watson Does it matter ? ColinDavies7-Jul-02 21:05 ColinDavies 7-Jul-02 21:05  I mean , it wouldn't happen to me would it. So what's the point. Regardz Colin J Davies Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin More about me Re: Does it matter ? Gary Wheeler8-Jul-02 2:25 Gary Wheeler 8-Jul-02 2:25  Never tease God, son. "Think of it as evolution in action." - 'Oath of Fealty' by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle Re: Does it matter ? Megan Forbes9-Jul-02 1:33 Megan Forbes 9-Jul-02 1:33  Fortunately only to you... My data matters to me, I back it up daily. Not worth my job otherwise... and I like playing Counterstrike at lunchtime Polymorph Re: Does it matter ? Daniel Lohmann8-Jul-02 3:45 Daniel Lohmann 8-Jul-02 3:45  And you are really sure you put enough of your income into the offertory bag? -- Daniel Lohmann http://www.losoft.de Re: Does it matter ? Matt Newman8-Jul-02 16:18 Matt Newman 8-Jul-02 16:18  Colin Davies wrote: it wouldn't happen to me Whos taking bets, my money is on a disaster of some sort by the end of the month - Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist -Sonork ID: 100.11179 "You can't seriously believe that you could get away with suing someone over quoting text from a message posted in a public forum, can you?" - John Simmons Re: Does it matter ? Alexandru Savescu8-Jul-02 20:34 Alexandru Savescu 8-Jul-02 20:34  Belive me sometimes it does. Best regards, Alexandru Savescu

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