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I always thought MSDN subscription was MS sending you a copy of the CD's that freely come with msdev and online msdn.microsoft.com. What does a "subscription" really provide you besides these?
- Jason
(SonorkID 100.611)
In the beginning, teachers taught the 5 W's: who, what, where, when, why. Now it's just a big damn G
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This is only for me?
What you think about usability of the new .NET library. I have a Prof. subsc. but use old library...
Pavel Sokolov,
CEZEO software,
LanTalk Network,
http://www.cezeo.com
http://www.lantalk.net
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Do you install the whole schmeer on your hard drive? Or do you swap discs willy-nilly?
"Think of it as evolution in action." - 'Oath of Fealty' by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
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We install it all on our server and then point to that from our local computer. It means we can all share the same installation. Neat and easy. And allowed by the licence agreement!
Roger Allen
Sonork 100.10016
If I had a quote, it would be a very good one.
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INstall it all.
"When a friend hurts us, we should write it down in the sand, where the winds of forgiveness get in charge of erasing it away, and when something great happens, we should engrave it in the stone of the memory of the heart, where no wind can erase it" Nish on life [methinks]
"It's The Soapbox; topics are optional" Shog 9
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There's a master install on the server, and everyone just points to that one.
The biggest problem with that is that if the server admin upgrades MSDN and forgets to tell us, we get strange results. Some things appear to work, and other things fail... until MSDN is reinstalled.
Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
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Hi have a universal subscription and it really is a must have product. One gripe though is that the MSDN search functionality really sucks. You get hundreds of results returned and they are mostly irrelevant. I usually try google first and then reluctantly MSDN.
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I agree, MSDN's search sucks.
What I often do if I can't find what I want straight out of the index is to do a Google search but only on all "microsoft.com" domains. Works well!
Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
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Navin wrote:
What I often do if I can't find what I want straight out of the index is to do a Google search but only on all "microsoft.com" domains.
Did you know you have http://www.google.com/microsoft.html for that?
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There have been some strange things on the MSDN CD's over the years. Recently I discovered a copy of VC 1.52 on one of the DVDS!
In the past there was a rather cool dating show parody with Microsoft geeks in the AVI editor. I guess it was a skit from Saturday Night Live or something else. One FoxPro sample had a .wav file from some MS developer called Dave say "Here I am in my new office at Microsoft".
Anybody else find anything wierd and wacky?
Michael
Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor
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VC 1.52 is very useful to the embedded software community… It was the last 16-bit version that Microsoft released.
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It is also useful when writing drivers, since ***CENSORED*** Windows 95, 98, and Me require all drivers to be 16-bit.
(Fortunately, I just write the installer for those drivers, which can be 32 bit.)
Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
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Why not?
Is it the cost? Don't think you need it? Use the online library?
Management are a bunch of cheapskates?
Michael
Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor
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Michael P Butler wrote:
Is it the cost?
Yes
Michael P Butler wrote:
Use the online library?
Yes
As a hobbiest, I can't justify the cost. Also, most of what I need I can find on the version of MSDN that came with my compiler. Anything else I can go online for.
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CPUA 0x5041
Sonork 100.11743 Chicken Little
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
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Ditto on all points.
Mike
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Since I have never had it,
I don't miss it.
Regardz
Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead.
Christian Graus
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I wouldn't. It's one of the big questions I ask in all interviews. If they won't invest in the right tools, then I'm not interested in working for them. The job is hard enough at times without missing out on the tools of the trade.
Michael
Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor
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Ditto here too ! I have asked repeatedly and it just gets filed in /dev/null
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I did, but they had no money, so it was understandable. Also, not all programmers need it. Game developers sure wouldn't.
Christian
come on all you MS suckups, defend your sugar-daddy now. - Chris Losinger - 11/07/2002
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Christian Graus wrote:
Game developers sure wouldn't.
I think anybody who needs to test against multiple Windows platforms would find an MSDN subscription the easiest way to get access to all flavours of Windows.
Michael
Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor
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Easy, but hardly economical.
Christian
come on all you MS suckups, defend your sugar-daddy now. - Chris Losinger - 11/07/2002
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I suppose for bigger companies with proper testing departments it isn't economical. However for little guys like me getting all the OS's to test against for less than £2000 (including the server OS's) is a great financial help.
Michael
Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor
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2000 pounds? In here, I'd have all the OS's from Microsoft in full... Or live out of it for 4 months
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I would, but only if my job was to write Mac or Linux apps.
I didn't realize how useful the universal subscription was until I started working at my current company. It sure is nice to be able to test with pretty much any OS and server component to ensure our stuff works right. And of course, Visual would be pretty much useless without the MSDN help.
Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
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