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Not just "Dark Mode", but more importantly "High Contrast".
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Cause lights attracts bugs :)
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hire spider they are great developer that kills bugs
I do not fear of failure. I fear of giving up out of frustration.
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Okay twenty and thirty-somethings, listen up:
Dark Mode SUCKS
when you're in your 40's and older.
Dark-themed apps, in combination with the monochrome UI's that challenge modern graphics cards, are un ing-readable by those of us in the more experienced age groups. As an example, I was never able to use Microsoft's Expression Blend app for WPF design. It had a dark theme and a light theme, both of which were shades of gray. Icons disappeared against the background, and text was unreadable.
Go ahead and support "Dark Mode", or "Theme of the Sith", or whatever you want to call it. If you have at least one user out there over the age of 40, you owe it to them to support a UI in the standard environment theme.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Quite the opposite here. With increasing cataracts, I find lighted characters on a dark-ish background easier to read.
Having the lighted letters slop onto the background is better than having a lighted background slop over the letters.
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Ed Attfield wrote: With increasing cataracts, I find lighted characters on a dark-ish background easier to read Hmm. I would reply "I can see that", but that's too much of a dad joke even for my low standards.
Cataracts are the one vision problem I've not developed yet. Myopia, astigmatism, presbyopia (middle-aged loss of focus ability), and glaucoma I've got covered. I wear contact lenses for distance and readers for close-up work, including computer use. If cataracts show up I'm going to get a seeing-eye cat and call it a day.
Software Zen: delete this;
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When cataracts were removed, new lenses installed. Left eye for close and right eye for distance. Rarely wear glasses. Have a pair that corrects the left eye for distance, only wear them when I drive. Readers that I almost never use. Life is good.
Driving here is easy, get in the left (passing) lane, turn the right turn signal on and drive slowly ignoring the horns
Lou
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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theoldfool wrote: Driving here is easy, get in the left (passing) lane, turn the right turn signal on and drive slowly ignoring the horns So that's who it is...
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Yep. Rarely anyone in my way. Clear lane ahead.
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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So the flashing lights, blaring horns and raised middle fingers don't bother you?
Hang on, you are in the US right, don't they shoot slow drivers over there?
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Varifocals.
They replaced the set of three: distance, computer, and reading - of which I was permanently wearing the wrong ones. Only problem with them is you can't do close work above your head because your neck doesn't bend the 100+ degrees required to get the "close focus" position anywhere near the object you are trying to see. But that's a good reason for Herself to do it anyway ...
But I agree that dark mode is pretty terrible, I prefer the contrast ratio to be the same way as a books - which are black on white.
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OriginalGriff wrote: I was permanently wearing the wrong ones I tried wearing bifocals when the presbyopia first showed up. After three migraines in two weeks I had to give up and, like you, permanently have the wrong pair of glasses on .
I switched to contact lenses a year ago. By the time I would have bought a new pair of distance glasses, reading glasses, and prescription 'sport' sunglasses for cycling, I was going to be out around $1500. A year's supply of contact lenses and supplies are about $300, fairly nice readers are around $20-25, and [cue ZZ Top] a pair of cheap sunglasses work pretty well when I'm riding.
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Been in the bifocal crowd for 11 years now. I prefer dark mode if it is done properly. Grey on grey is not doing it properly. I like the reduced total amount of light that dark mode gives you, but, you need contrast.
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Ditto. Some dark modes work really well, and some really don't.
But overall, I agree that light mode should always be supported.
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Quite the opposite. I am in my 50s, and prefer dark mode wherever it is supported. Bright displays have always been painful to my eyes, and it gets more pronounced as the years go by. For some apps without dark mode, I literally end up turning the brightness controls for my monitor all the way down.
That being said, I would rather see full skin/theme support. I curse Microsoft regularly for removing that ability from Windows. Many apps do not implement dark mode properly, and use colors/shades that have little contrast. Is dark red on dark grey readable to anyone? Instead, let me choose all of the colors, so I can have a low-intensity theme that still has readable contrast and aesthetically pleasing color combinations.
When I used create skins and color schemes for web or apps, my favorite method was to visit paint store web sites like Pittsburgh Paints, Benjamin Moore, or Sherwin-Williams. They usually had several color pallets of 5-6 colors that work well together, and were put together by people who know more about colors than me (or most developers I know). There would be many combinations that were not so bright that they would hurt my eyes, but also did not necessarily look like someone turned all of the lights off.
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There are real world applications for "dark mode", such as for the apps that are used in the air traffic control towers. It helps keep the controllers' eyes acclimated at night.
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My disagreement is with apps (like Expression Blend) where "Dark Mode" is the "Only Mode". Apps designed by and for twenty-somethings with no interest beyond their own narrow focus, and accessibility for only themselves.
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Dark mode is more difficult to design well than normal / light mode. I've seen some dark ones that just aren't nice.
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however, most of the apps that one uses these days has a dark mode/theme of some kind, which makes me think that most of us write apps/websites for internal business needs and NOT for the general public, who desire a dark theme option.
It's much easier to enjoy the favor of both friend and foe, and not give a damn who's who. -- Lon Milo DuQuette
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My software runs as a console app, which has a black window on Windows.
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this might be their round about way of asking?
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In my most recent responsive web app dark mode was required. I sometimes write applications for law enforcement and they might be using the application while in their car or outside in traffic. When it is pitch black outside and oncoming cars shine headlights on them, they need a screen that is not bright.
As I get older, my eyes bother me especially looking at bright screens all day. I now browse most websites with a Dark Mode Add-in for FF. From now on I will build websites with Dark Mode or different background themes because it's quite easy to do.
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