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Hi Sam,
Thanks for the reply. When you say, "The republicans have treated the cream of corporate america like a socialist state for 8 years and done little for the small business owner and average person that the vast majority of U.S. people here would fall into."
Since you didn't specify any "facts" in your post, here are a few:
- The top 1% of wage earners in America (the evil rich), pay 39% of the total income tax.
- The top 5% of wage earners in America (still pretty evil), pay 59%.
- The top 10% of wage earners in America (still rich), pay more than 70% of the taxes.
A word about "the rich." How many people making $20,000 or less ever gave you a job? Instead of begrudging the rich that create jobs, we should be thanking them.
Question: In your opinion, what percentage of your income would you think is "fair" for the government to take from you?
If 10% was fair, a person making $30,000 per year would pay $3,000 in tax and a person making $90,000 would pay $9,000. Sounds reasonable right? But, as it stands today in America, a person making $30,000 per year pays $4,500 (15%), but a person making $358,000 pays $125,300 (35%). Is that fair?
Who do you think will invest in innovation, start a new business, hire people, etc.? The evil rich guy or $30,000 guy?
Anyone want to guess what Senator Obama's proposed tax "changes" and new proposed spending will do to all of us -- especially the guy considering hiring a few more programmers?
Cheers,
Calvin
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I wasn't referring to *people* I was referring to corporations getting assistance they clearly don't need. Corporate wellfare. I'm president of a corporation, no one ever gave me a handout, I've had to work hard to build this business to where it is today and I think it only fair that every business have a level playing field.
I think it's all academic anyway, I can't imagine any scenario under which Obama is not the next president at this point. I used to really like McCain back a couple of years ago when he was tough and honest and decent and seemed like a not bad guy to be running a country. The intervening time and a *lot* of compromises really changed him into just another candidate.
It's unfortunate that you guys have so few choices to vote for, the two party system is a disservice to the populace, lot's of good ideas can come from libertarians, even greens etc. I guess I'm a libertarian at heart, unfortunately we don't have those here in Canada.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it."
-Sam Levenson
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John C wrote: It's unfortunate that you guys have so few choices to vote for, the two party system
Now, that I fully agree with.
John
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John M. Drescher wrote: Now, that I fully agree with.
Ditto. I think the party system just distracts us from what we should be looking at. And that's what the people stand for/do rather than what party they belong to. God only knows sometimes both Dems and Republicans can be right or wrong. But to dismiss the wrong because they're in your "group" is a lot of high school clicks. We should be past that at this level of the game I'd like to think.
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John C wrote: I wasn't referring to *people* I was referring to corporations getting assistance they clearly don't need. Corporate wellfare. I'm president of a corporation, no one ever gave me a handout, I've had to work hard to build this business to where it is today and I think it only fair that every business have a level playing field.
Exactly what handouts do we get over here do you think are so excessive that businesses deserve to loose money for during a recession?
John C wrote: I think it's all academic anyway, I can't imagine any scenario under which Obama is not the next president at this point.
Um, more people could vote for McCain. Yeah, I can imagine that; not sure why you can't. Don't be fooled by one or two skewed polls. Unless you already forgot about 4 years ago when people swore Kerry would win too.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Um, more people could vote for McCain. Yeah, I can imagine that; not sure why you can't. Don't be fooled by one or two skewed polls. Unless you already forgot about 4 years ago when people swore Kerry would win too.
It all goes down to the electoral college and the fact that there are less than 10 states out of 50 that are actually in play. If McCain looses Virgina or Florida the election is over.
John
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John C wrote: I used to really like McCain back a couple of years ago when he was tough and honest and decent and seemed like a not bad guy to be running a country.
Thats so true - that McCain died in about 2002.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
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Yeah, vote for President Palin instead.
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And this kind of argument belongs there.
Here, we prefer to bash technologies.
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: Here, we prefer to bash technologies.
I was starting to think that too.
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And I was involved, sorry. So easy to get into this type of discussion. Its only a few weeks away so this will be all over soon. I will sure be happy to watch TV and not have to mute every single commercial break to avoid getting so angry that I throw the remote through the TV set.
John
modified on Monday, October 20, 2008 7:07 PM
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John M. Drescher wrote: Its only a few weeks away so this will be all over soon
Amen to that.
Fortunately, the sound of one half or the other of the electorate crying doesn't make much of a noise.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"How do you find out if you're unwanted if everyone you try to ask tells you to stop bothering them and just go away?" - Balboos HaGadol
"It's a sad state of affairs, indeed, when you start reading my tag lines for some sort of enlightenment?" - Balboos HaGadol
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Calvin Fabre wrote: ...we live in the greatest country in the world
I am glad to hear it. So you will pay for the free range that your banks were enjoying over the last speculation boom, and other countries like mine will help to cover your banks losses.
But what was it supposed to mean in realtion to the poll question?
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dmitri_sps wrote: But what was it supposed to mean in realtion to the poll question?
I know this is soapbox however you don't think jobs and politics have a connection?
John
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You will have to see the other threads for the reason for the banks' problems.
In relation to the poll question, my point was, as long as hard work is rewarded, you like what you do, you work hard, then you will always have a job. The American Dream of having some say in your own prosperity is still alive, but threatened by the socialists (Obama and the democrats) that want wealth redistribution.
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When the time comes, and i'm finally thrown out on my ear, chances are that the decision will have been made by someone who has never met me, wouldn't recognize me on the street, and probably signed off without ever having to read my name. In the face of this, worry is meaningless, pointless, a waste of time. Eat, drink and be merry...
---- You're right.
These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets .
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I used to work for a branch office of a company and the branch was not doing well and there was talk of it being shut down and this great guy I worked with who was our head sales guy always would shrug it off and grin and say "I was looking for work when I got this job".
Which always stuck with me as an excellent attitude to have in all manner of things.
Of course he was brilliant and knew everyone and could get work in about 10 seconds (and ultimately did when the branch shut down the day after we got tired of the whining and iniquities from head office and pre-emptively all quit the same day one after another using the same cell phone sitting outside a Starbucks after deciding we couldn't take the constant motivational technique of telling us that they just didn't know how long they could keep the branch going despite us cutting costs constantly and working our fingers to the bone and bringing in good numbers. I still get a warm glow thinking about the boss sputtering on the phone when his motivational tactics came crashing down around him. Good times! )
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it."
-Sam Levenson
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I'm actually looking forward to it. Sit back, draw the dole for a few months, enjoy a well earned rest. Good programmers are always in demand anyways.
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Always in demand? What I'm finding is that companies have rather exact skillset requirements in mind.
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Shog9 wrote: In the face of this, worry is meaningless, pointless, a waste of time. Eat, drink and be merry...
A 100% there with you
-=[ R ]=-
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Social Security would kick in before Unemployment ends.. Go ahead and make my day...
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Sorry about the '1' - it was totally unintended.
A mis-click, for I wasn't intending to vote at all.
There Ought To Be A Way To Undo a Fat-Fingered Votes! (Hint To Site-Tsar).
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"How do you find out if you're unwanted if everyone you try to ask tells you to go away?" - Balboos HaGadol
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If there was a way to undo fat-fingered votes we'd have had a different President...
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Actually - It's the fat-head vote that did the trick.
Consider: If Ralph Nader didn't run (in 2000) and then the idiots that voted for him would amost certainly have voted for the Democratic Candidate - and Florida wouldn't have been an issue.
In case you happen to see that egotisitical SOB (Nader), thank him for the state of the nation and the world - he had a lot to do with getting us into this mess.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"How do you find out if you're unwanted if everyone you try to ask tells you to go away?" - Balboos HaGadol
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Balboos wrote:
There Ought To Be A Way To Undo a Fat-Fingered Votes!
Um, there is... Just reload the page, and re-vote - your last vote for a given post is the only one that counts.
You must be careful in the forest
Broken glass and rusty nails
If you're to bring back something for us
I have bullets for sale...
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