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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: It's got to be a cultural thing. Guess where 95% of those emails are comming from...
It's definitely not a culture thing. It's just a reflection of the fact that there are abundant job opportunities in this specific country and not enough quality candidates. So what happens very often is that unsuitable and ignorant candidates get programming jobs, and it's this category of people who resort to impolite posting practices.
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Very true. Since most of the jobs went to, what amounts to, a single culture, it's no surprise.
Dave Kreskowiak
Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: Since most of the jobs went to, what amounts to, a single culture, it's no surprise.
Yes. The majority of Indians posting dumb questions and being rude on public forums belong to a sub-culture of people who get into a software job solely because there are so many available openings (and not because they have any serious interest in programming or computers).
But it still hurts when this sub-culture is generalized and their actions associated with the whole country.
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The same thing happens with every group; the idiots are more visible than the other 90 some odd precent that have a clue combined. Most Americans know that speaking loudly and slowly won't magically allow a non English speaker to guess what we're trying to saw in English. The stereotype that most people think of when given the phrase American tourist is the idiot who tries that.
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CleaKO The sad part about this instance is that none of the users ever said anything [about the problem].
Pete O`Hanlon Doesn't that just tell you everything you need to know about users?
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Are the majority of Indian developers poorly qualified or are the majority of skilled Indian developers simply very quiet?
Cutting aside all political correctness it seems that the majority of Indian developers are vastly underqualified. I've got nothing other than the hundreds of emails a day I recieve and the messages I see posted on the board to base this on but it seems a reasonable assumption.
Are we seeing a bit of a bubble effect here?
1. Once upon a time the average software house in India provided excellent and cheap work
2. There was a massive influx of work into India and the universities couldn't keep up with demand
3. Jobs were still being awarded based on perceived value and quality
4. The output of software houses diluted by poor talent will cause a backlash from overseas customers due to the substandard work
5. Jobs will no longer go to India and there will be a massive over-supply of substandard developers.
Seems awfully like the rest of the world back in 2000. I really hope for India's sake they look at the lessons we went through 7 years ago and make some quick changes. Actually I hope Indian developers take control of their own future and work to improve whatever deficits may be in their skillset due to rushed training. It will be a cut-throat world there very soon, I'm guessing.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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I agree completely. I wasn't trying to be non-PC because, admittedly, my view of the India talent pool is very narrow, comming solely from a few developer support forums. Using only this view, it would appear that the pool is leaning heavily towards the unskilled side, on the order of, in my less-than-scientific-estimate, 30 to 1. (Nish is, of course, skewing the grading curve quite a bit!  )
I'm not trying the bash India at all. Because of the points you brought up, it appears that India is actually losing some jobs to other countries like Vietnam, China, and Russia. I don't think the developers in India have any kind of control over their own future because American companies have a habit of looking only at short-term profits and will ship the jobs they want done now to anyone with any kind of experience for the cheapest rate possible.
Dave Kreskowiak
Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: The majority of Indians posting dumb questions and being rude on public forums belong to a sub-culture of people who get into a software job solely because there are so many available openings (and not because they have any serious interest in programming or computers).
I will have to say I agree with this. I think many people do this even here in the US so it isnt necessarily an Indian thing.
I think that many problems arise when combining culture though, when you have a lazy American, and Im American, I feel like I can say something or confront them or go to management about them. On the other hand when the person is from Asia (or any other country, Asia just has such a different cultural setup than the US) then it is more difficult to say anything and the resentments can grow and be placed upon innocent people just for the sake of their nationality.
CleaKO
"I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that.'" - Tommy (Tommy Boy)
"Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)
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I believe the email link only appears if you are logged in, so the way it works now seems right.
Another thing: the emails I get seem to be, on average, more intelligent than some of the public posts on my articles.
Also, I have gotten some emails from companies who want me to do some consulting for them, so personally I see the email link as a plus.
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I’ve pointed this out before but I feel the need to reiterate in the hope that the problem is resolved. Say person “a” posts to which person “b” replies and finally person “c” replies to person “b”; or diagrammatically a->b->c. If person “b” deletes his post then the following results: a->c. This situation is confusing at best and at worst could cause arguments and misdirected anger. It would be good if this could be resolved.
Steve
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What do you think should happen?
Brad
Australian
- Me on "Public interest"
If you actually read this let me know.
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Two extremes come to mind straight away:
1. You can’t delete a port.
2. When you delete a post a “post deleted” post is inserted in its place.
The second is probably preferable and if memory serves me correctly how things used to work.
Steve
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Stephen Hewitt wrote: When you delete a post a “post deleted” post is inserted in its place.
This is already what is meant to happen.
The problem is if someone replies to a post at the same time as it's deleted then you get headless posts. There could also be a big nasty bug in their too.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Here is a good example of this[^]
CleaKO
"I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that.'" - Tommy (Tommy Boy)
"Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)
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Multiprocessor cpu's are becoming quite common which is driving up the importance of learning about threading tremendously. I may have missed it, but I can't see a dedicated section devoted to threading issues (for .net).
Perhaps a subcategory in the .net section?
Also I'd like to put out a call for articles on not just the mechanics of threading but identifying areas of software that are good candidates for threading and designing with threading in mind in the first place.
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Multi Threading should be an article category.
Brad
Australian
- Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript"
A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
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This will happen.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Cool! You can't get less ambiguous than that. 
Cheers!
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Hi
Message reply link from email is not working in windows live mail. It is showing click here to reply. But if we click nothing will happen ?
Is it CP problem or Windows Live Mail Prob ? 
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That is because you need to whitelist the sender before the links will work.
Brad
Australian
- Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript"
A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
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Bradml wrote: whitelist the sender
Means ?
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That worked..Thanks dude ![Rose | [Rose]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
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I think it would be cool to have a "CP Tool" section. Because I've noticed that there are quite a few CodeProject tools written by CP members, and they're all scattered throughout other articles. Would that be ok?
Trinity: Neo... nobody has ever done this before.
Neo: That's why it's going to work.
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Nice idea
Brad
Australian
- Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript"
A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
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