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No noticeable change.
"A good athlete is the result of a good and worthy opponent." - David Crow
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
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Hi Chris,
I was revisiting the Univoter Thread[^]. It seems the Univoter bashed everyone involved with the thread.
So I thought I would even it ou by offering a high score to all those who particpated. However, I began receiving the following message:
You or someone at your IP address has been voting too often. Please wait a moment and try again Would it be possible to throttle negative responses only?
Jeff
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I'd rather not. Voting wars are never worthwhile no matter which side you're on
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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I think that a useful thing to have would be some method of subtly fingerprinting articles here so they can easily be searched for across the internet to find these scammy sites stealing the content.
"I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon
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By image? Random text?
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Not sure but something you can easily search on through google. I've never seen the pirated articles so I'm not sure what makes it through from the source.
"I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon
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Hi John,
I don't think we need top-level technology to squash some parasites.
the buz=zy=co=de thiefs have copied my very first article (LPSokoban) and have
kept the text as is, including "this is my first article" and a reference
to CodeProject discussion boards; they have assigned another author name;
but their download is a ZIP containing my two ZIP files (demo and source),
unchanged, hence my name is there multiple times.
So strong finger printing is not really needed for now; a few personal touches
in text and code seem sufficient to recognize what is real and what is fake.
Anyhow, their lack of server performance will kick them out of "business" in
no time. If not, Chris and his legal division will take care of it. If that fails
too, Uncle Sam can send the troops, we know where they are... 
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles]
this weeks tips:
- make Visual display line numbers: Tools/Options/TextEditor/...
- show exceptions with ToString() to see all information
- before you ask a question here, search CodeProject, then Google
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Yeah I came to that conclusion, fingerprinting is only useful in that it can identify uniquely if the source was CodeProject itself; authors can and do submit the exact same text to other legitimate sites on their own.
However I did a test and searched for only the first sentence of a few highly rated articles over the last few months from here and in every case they were unique enough that no other hits came back on google except to the article itself.
However that buzzy place didn't turn up so either they didn't grab those exact articles or they're not indexed on google yet.
"I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon
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Luc Pattyn wrote: If that fails
too, Uncle Sam can send the troops,
We'll ahve to convince George W. call them terrorist (it seems to be a popular label for those who do not think like the US); and then let George over throw their government for a regime more friendly to the US government.
It worked well in the past:
Roosevelt and the Panama Canal (this eventually got us Noriega)
The Shaw of Iran (this got us a 3 year hostage situation)
Taliban (under Reagan, Osama and bunch were 'Freedom Fighters')
Iraq (ths hasn't worked well yet, the US still ahs the high oil prices. But George W got to accomplish a major goal - murdering a world leader who had a different ideology)
[countless othrs omitted]
Jeff
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I've been experimenting with this and have come to the conclusion that fingerprinting is not necessary *unless* you want to know specifically if the text was copied *off* CodeProject directly and not simply a submission at another site.
A lot depends upon whether the infringing site is google searchable or not.
If it is, then it's easy enough to just use the first middle and last sentence in the article text to positively search. In fact in my testing the first sentence of every article I tried was always unique on it's own searched in quotes on google.
Of course people submit the same article to more than once site so a list of legit sites would need to be kept in any automated way of doing this.
If you want to know specifically if an article was copied directly from CodeProject then you would have no other option but to insert or modify some part of the article text automatically. There are many ways of doing this, the best use natural language algorithms to alter a few sentences in text in such a way that it's meaning is completely unchanged but it's easily identifiable and unique. Not worth the bother I guess. The other way would be encourage people to deliberately add something on their own to the article that would not interfere with it but yield a highly unique phrase that they also identify when submitting the article.
Or you could simply offer a small reward of some kind for the first person who discovers a pirate site or have an "intern" do a quick search once every couple of weeks for article content and see where it leads (it's pretty easy to do and would only take a few minutes if you pick a representative set of article highly rated, new, whatever).
In my searching none of the articles at that buzzy site seem to be indexed by google yet so it was a wash.
"I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon
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Hi John,
the site is so slow the Google crawler must give up long before it is done...
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles]
this weeks tips:
- make Visual display line numbers: Tools/Options/TextEditor/...
- show exceptions with ToString() to see all information
- before you ask a question here, search CodeProject, then Google
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You used a relative link, not a direct message link, your link now goes nowhere.
"I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon
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Link corrected,
thank you
Russell
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Hi,
I am not able to follow the link. Can you provide the title of the Suggestion?
Jeff
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Link corrected,
thank you
Russell
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_Russell_ wrote: Link corrected
modified maybe, corrected no.
You should copy the "Permalink" button and publish that.
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles]
this weeks tips:
- make Visual display line numbers: Tools/Options/TextEditor/...
- show exceptions with ToString() to see all information
- before you ask a question here, search CodeProject, then Google
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Thanks. it looks different now and works fine.
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles]
this weeks tips:
- make Visual display line numbers: Tools/Options/TextEditor/...
- show exceptions with ToString() to see all information
- before you ask a question here, search CodeProject, then Google
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Chris,
I think you have lawsuit material with BuzzyCode[^]. It looks like the entire site, when it works, was put together by a couple of idiots wanting to copy CP and they've populated their "articles database" by copy'n'pasting LOTS of articles directly from CP. The "people" "posting" the articles are all fake, as are the comments to them. The site says they've got some 2,700+ articles. I wonder how many of them were copied from here?? Hell, I think the entire site is a badly written copy of CP itself!
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They have been contacted and we will protect the rights of our authors to the full extent of the law. This is totally unacceptable.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Hi Chris,
I signed up to that very productive site immediately (only members can download).
They have 500 members and over 2000 articles now.
An article download is a ZIP containing one or more ZIPs straight from CodeProject,
so first advice to CP authors should be to include some comment and/or text file
in our ZIPs.
I do not understand why they have stolen only one of my articles (Sokoban).
[ADDED] They kept the sentence "Some of the following items relate to recent
topics on one of the CodeProject message boards" intact, that's nice. [/ADDED]
And I did not find a way to submit articles !?
Is it OK if I continue to use CodeProject? I can only hope they copy our good
stuff, and attract some/all of the trolls.
I trust you will speed up the launch of the new CP site to beat the competition 
-- modified at 11:14 Wednesday 29th August, 2007
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles]
this weeks tips:
- make Visual display line numbers: Tools/Options/TextEditor/...
- show exceptions with ToString() to see all information
- before you ask a question here, search CodeProject, then Google
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You may certainly continue to use CodeProject. However, what they have done is illegal and totally goes against the spirit of the community. It's appalling behaviour and I'm disgusted with them for stealing our authors' work so blatantly.
My advice: please do not support that site. It only encourages others.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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