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I suppose that article voting is a really great feature but it can be misused/abused in some cases.
For example, while some Competition goes, it can be used to dislodge an article from "Best Picks" section at Home page. If someone votes "1", the total rating significantly reduces and presumably good article is removed from the main showcase (even if all previous 20 readers gave "4"s and "5"s!) Consecuently, far far less people will read and vote for the article afterwards.
But do not get me wrong! I am not arainst any votes! However, in some cases it can be DELIBERATELY used for UNRELATED purposes.
I suggest that a person who makes "downgrade" vote ("1" or "2") must be asked for leaving his comment/reason of the mark.
P.S.
Showing number of votes for every mark point (like in some MSDN articles) would be also great.
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Sergei Arhipenko wrote: If someone votes "1", the total rating significantly reduces and presumably good article is removed from the main showcase (even if all previous 20 readers gave "4"s and "5"s!)
The above effect is somehow reduced by vote weighting.
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What does mean "weight"?
MVPs votes have higher weight that regular vote, haven't they?
If yes, it is good...
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Sure it is.
You've got my 5.
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At the bottom of this page http://www.codeproject.com/script/articles/TopArticles.aspx[^]
is stated:
Rating is the sum of all votes divided by the number of votes. Voting can only be done by registered members and a persons vote is weighted by their level.
If I remember well, Colin Angus Mackay told me that membership level vote is weighted in a (2 based) exponential way, i.e. 1 for bronze level members, 2 for silver ones, 4 for gold ones and so one (the exact weight numers maybe are different, but that should be the approach).
Sergei Arhipenko wrote: MVPs votes have higher weight that regular vote, haven't they?
AFAIK MVP is now only an award, hence it has nothing to do with the weights, it is just the membership level that matters.
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CPallini wrote: AFAIK MVP is now only an award, hence it has nothing to do with the weights, it is just the membership level that matters.
MVP awarding here has been there for a long time. What's new is the MVPs get a cool new icons now. AFAIK, MVP votes have a more significant impact than others, both on the forums and on articles.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: AFAIK, MVP votes have a more significant impact than others, both on the forums and on articles.
Maybe a definitive sentence about article/messages ratings calculation (by Chris?) will be useful.
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There was some writeup here at CP about MVPs, who they are, how they are elected every year and how their votes are assessed, etc. I can't find it now.
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Sergei Arhipenko wrote: What does mean "weight"?
Bronze members are weighted as 1, Silver members have a weight of 2, Gold has weight of 4, and Platinum has weight of 8.
"I guess it's what separates the professionals from the drag and drop, girly wirly, namby pamby, wishy washy, can't code for crap types." - Pete O'Hanlon
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I agree, weights are good but they do not solve the problem in full measure.
Weights do not reduce number of abusages and do not expose them.
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there is no final solution to this.
as usual the best approach is democracy: everyone can vote, when several people see a score
they don't agree with, they can influence that by adding their vote. A dynamic equilibrium
will be reached.
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Sergei Arhipenko wrote: weights are good but they do not solve the problem in full measure.
I agree.
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler.
-- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
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Sergei Arhipenko wrote: Weights do not reduce number of abusages and do not expose them.
Not really true. If a whole bunch of Gold members vote 4 or 5 on an article, it is going to take alot of Bronze members to vote 1 or 2 to bring down the article's score. Also, popularity is another thing to look at.
"I guess it's what separates the professionals from the drag and drop, girly wirly, namby pamby, wishy washy, can't code for crap types." - Pete O'Hanlon
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"If a whole bunch of Gold members..."
The "If" is a critical point.
I am talking about situation when your article appeared recently and does not have votes enough to sustain "downgrade" vote. Its enough to monitor home page once per day to make sure that you could kick out any fresh article you want. Once kicked out the article will not gather much popularity.
I just suggest some points to improve site in unobtrusive way. Unfortunately none of responsibles answered.
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Sergei Arhipenko wrote: "If a whole bunch of Gold members..."
The "If" is a critical point.
Very true.
Sergei Arhipenko wrote: situation when your article appeared recently and does not have votes enough to sustain "downgrade" vote.
Then, you wait awhile ( how ever long that may be ) until more readers actually vote on it. I think that is why the popularity score is put up there as well. If you have a low vote score, but a decent popularity, then it is a matter of interpretation at that point if the article is good or lousy. I really don't question the overall views of most voters of article around here anyways.
Is there a particular article in question? If they are yours, they seem to have good ratings right now.
"I guess it's what separates the professionals from the drag and drop, girly wirly, namby pamby, wishy washy, can't code for crap types." - Pete O'Hanlon
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"Is there a particular article in question?"
Nope. It is not particular complaint. I would like this post had been perceived as a general concern.
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Sergei Arhipenko wrote: it can be misused/abused in some cases
To a small extent. If an article is voted a 5 by a Platinum member, then it takes 8 1-votes from a Bronze member to weight it down to a 3.
Sergei Arhipenko wrote: I suggest that a person who makes "downgrade" vote ("1" or "2") must be asked for leaving his comment/reason of the mark.
Does not necessarily have to. If the article really, really sucks, then there shouldn't be any need to justify a low vote for it.
"I guess it's what separates the professionals from the drag and drop, girly wirly, namby pamby, wishy washy, can't code for crap types." - Pete O'Hanlon
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Requiring a comment wouldn't solve anything. You'd just get a lot of comments like "adfjadas"
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(I brought this up during the beta testing, just curious if you've given it any thought since.)
My profile is at http://www.codeproject.com/script/Membership/Profiles.aspx?mid=152 but I would really like it to be a lot shorter so it's easier to fit on business cards or Moo cards[^] or résumés. http://www.codeproject.com/profile/152 would be great.
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Yes - I'd love to do this.
Added to the TODO
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: Added to the TODO
Déjà vu.
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Yeah, the new CodeProject has an automatic reply built-in
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But instead of a beguile number like 152 as indicated in the first thread, a friendly name would be still pleasant. Isn't it?
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson
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Good idea. Why not just have a link from a different site that points to your member profile?
"I guess it's what separates the professionals from the drag and drop, girly wirly, namby pamby, wishy washy, can't code for crap types." - Pete O'Hanlon
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Because I want to put this on my resume and cards:
Author at The Code Project: www.codeproject.com/profile/152
That looks a lot better than:
Author at The Code Project: tinyurl.com/2km6a7
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