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Hiren Solanki: Dude
Sandeep Ramani: hi
Hiren Solanki: Hows going ?
Sandeep Ramani: great..
Hiren Solanki: k.
Sandeep Ramani: hey i hv written one article on codeproject but it not published yet..
Sandeep Ramani: how to get it publish fast..
Hiren Solanki: it will be published after mentors approves that.
Hiren Solanki: will point you on your mistake first.
Hiren Solanki: so what is title of article.
Sandeep Ramani: how i get to know that whether mentor is looking in article or not..
Hiren Solanki: you will get views count increased.
Sandeep Ramani: article status is : This is an unfinished article
Sandeep Ramani: why so?
Hiren Solanki: when you wrote?
Sandeep Ramani: Last Updated: 2 Sep 2010 Page Views: 6
Sandeep Ramani: http://www.codeproject.com/KB/scripting/SortingTableColumnsJQuery.aspx
Sandeep Ramani: r u able to see it ??
Hiren Solanki: This is an unfinished articleit means .. article is small enough to be published.
Hiren Solanki: just put it in tip/trick.
Sandeep Ramani: ok..
Hiren Solanki: and tell me.
Sandeep Ramani: tip/trick.???
Sandeep Ramani: category of the article??
Hiren Solanki: No.
Hiren Solanki: Article - > post tip & trick.
Hiren Solanki: copy your HTML of article into that.
Hiren Solanki: and delete the article.
Sandeep Ramani: ok..
Hiren Solanki: posted?
Hiren Solanki: 8-|
Sandeep Ramani: nop..
Hiren Solanki: K.
Sandeep Ramani: will do tomorrow..
Hiren Solanki: sure.
Sandeep Ramani: its bit confusing for me now..
Hiren Solanki: what is confusing ?
Sandeep Ramani: why i need to post article in tips / trick there should be some category of that..that i have nt seen any guide line regarding that..
Hiren Solanki: your article is too small so it can't be allowed to be published.
Hiren Solanki: so just put that as a tip/trick.
Hiren Solanki: and inside tip/trick you can put it in category.
Sandeep Ramani: but that should be prompt while i post that also..i was nt aware abt this.. i was thinking that it will take some time so i was waiting for that.. they should prompt author that yr article is small to publish so do this steps..
Hiren Solanki: thats why they told you.
Hiren Solanki: article is unfinished.
Hiren Solanki: either make length of article bigger.
Sandeep Ramani: this status is shown to me while i was editing before publishing it also..
Sandeep Ramani: so how come i know ..
Hiren Solanki: ya that mean the same.
Hiren Solanki: while publishing duplicate i also having same issue.
Hiren Solanki: and i posted it in tip/trick.
Sandeep Ramani: wht ever but i m not happy with this process of publishing article..
Hiren Solanki: will take time to be familier.
Sandeep Ramani: i have nt find this type of criteria any other site ..
Sandeep Ramani: that is also right.
Hiren Solanki: in CP they only allows quality articles.
Hiren Solanki: it should have enough information.
Sandeep Ramani: that is true... but i have also find lots of article that do not have any meaning also..
Hiren Solanki: may be informative.
Sandeep Ramani: ok..
Hiren Solanki: ok. you will love CP.. but takes time.
Hiren Solanki: Thats what i was feeling before.
Hiren Solanki: when i got rejected my first article.
Sandeep Ramani: i dont think so.. right now i hate to do all this..there should be easy process for posting article..whether thy publish or reject our article that is secondary part..but posting must be easy to understand..
Hiren Solanki: ya, i have seen lots of people doing same args. for CP.
Hiren Solanki: and CP is working on that.
Hiren Solanki: chris maunder(cp owner) is aware of that.
Sandeep Ramani: good..
Hiren Solanki: 
Hiren Solanki: Let me publish whole Talk to code project.
Sandeep Ramani: do that so that they can get to know about this ..
Hiren Solanki: ok.
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I just had a look at the article. It's still in composing state. Until unless your friend does not publish it, it won't be sent to CP Mentors for review such that they can approve.
There is nothing wrong from CP side.
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You know, sometimes, it is ALRIGHT to paraphrase. A wall of text hitting the face isn't exactly pleasing.
...byte till it megahertz...
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This is a little hard to parse so correct me if I'm making some wrong assumptions here.
The issue seems to be that if an author posts an article that is too small then it won't be accepted by the members who will ask that the article be posted as a tip instead. This in itself isn't the issue - the issue is that the guidelines aren't clear enough on this point.
Is that the problem? If so, that's easy.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: Is that the problem?
That's what I inferred from reading the chat-conversation twice.
I suppose when someone tries to submit a really small article (word count), you could ask them if perhaps they want to post it as a tip-trick instead.
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Chris,
I don't think it's the issue of Article/Tips. Looks like the guidelines are not followed and above all, it's status is still in "Compose Mode".
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Regards - Kunal Chowdhury | Software Developer | Chennai | India | My Blog | My Tweets | Silverlight Tutorial
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I think the discussion was posted to convey the difficulties new authors face when posting articles. I didn't have too hard a time when I posted my first article, though there are areas where some improvements would be nice. Here are some random suggestions off the top of my head:
- Don't require an email for updates to an article once it's been approved and such.
- Make it extremely obvious that the article is not published, and the reason for that. For example, a repeating background image on the article that says "this article is not yet published because you didn't click [Publish] yet" or "this article has been published but is not viewable by most members because no high ranking members have approved it yet".
- When a user is about to publish an article, check the amount of text and pop up a dialog that says "this article isn't very long; would you like to publish it as a tip/trick instead?" Clicking "OK" would then post it as a tip/trick.
- Would be nice to be able to change the type of article from "Full Article" to "Tip/Trick" (or the reverse). Probably should only give the author that ability.
Like I said, I'm fairly happy with the process, but some of that might help other members. Then again, making it difficult may keep the article quality higher than if any old person with 5 seconds on their hands could post an article. Based on that observation, I think there should be a CCC that must be solved in order to publish an article. 
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aspdotnetdev wrote: Don't require an email for updates to an article once it's been approved and such.
This is only for "edited" articles and is in place to save the sanity of the editors. However, I know it tests the patience of authors, so we have workarounds. More improvements coming.
aspdotnetdev wrote: Make it extremely obvious that the article is not published
I have just, not 2 seconds ago, done this (though not as garish!)
aspdotnetdev wrote: When a user is about to publish an article, check the amount of text and pop up a dialog that says "this article isn't very long; would you like to publish it as a tip/trick instead?" Clicking "OK" would then post it as a tip/trick.
How about a different approach: on the first page of the submission wizard I have a "post a tip" and "post a full article" link set?
aspdotnetdev wrote: Would be nice to be able to change the type of article from "Full Article" to "Tip/Trick" (or the reverse). Probably should only give the author that ability
This is on the TODO list
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: so we have workarounds
Interesting. Such as?
Chris Maunder wrote: More improvements coming.
Excellent.
Chris Maunder wrote: I have just, not 2 seconds ago, done this
Excellent.
Chris Maunder wrote: How about a different approach: on the first page of the submission wizard I have a "post a tip" and "post a full article" link set?
Sounds like a good idea.
Chris Maunder wrote: This is on the TODO list
Excellent. I'll look forward to it in 2020! 
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Is there a forum about testing? Tools, how to, best practices, ...
V.
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There is one[^] that has "Testing" in its title.
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I did see that one, but beta testing and testing the code (unit, stress, performance, regression, ....) isn't really the same thing. eg. I'm running some load tests with VS 2010 and have a problem, which forum do I go to?
V.
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V. wrote: which forum do I go to?
When none of the forums seem to fit, try the Lounge.
The forum I linked to isn't very old. It was called "Collaboration and test" once; Chris added "beta". It never has been popular.
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lounge came to mind, but "testing" comes close to "programming" ... hence my question here. Don't worry I'll figure my problem out; somehow.
V.
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You could also post in "Application Lifecycle", however I haven't seen any real activity there yet.
I don't think you would get lynched when posting in the Lounge, especially as the weekend is near.
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Two days ago I discovered the forum message pinning was functioning again, after a long period of unavailability. Yesterday and today, it again fails to perform its magic. Please fix this, it is a great feature to have when a thread grows.
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It's working perfectly for me...
Browser?
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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The browser I use most of the time is FireFox 3.0.19; today's investigation seems to indicate it is the only one around here that fails on CP forum pinning. When I try IE7, FF3.6.8, or Chrome, it works well.
It probably stopped working on FF3.0 around here[^], and hasn't ever since, till last Sunday.
I have no clue what could have caused it to fail and later to succeed, and now fail again.
I guess I'll move on to FF3.6.8 now (I don't ever want the latest most popular), so as far as I'm concerned the relevance of the pin bug is small.
However I now have two questions, you're not getting away that easily
1.
is there a way to prevent FF3.6.8 to open a new tab at a random position? when I click a CP link (the new tab variety), on older FF up to 3.0 I get the new tab at the far right, which is fine; doing the same on FF3.6.8 (admittedly, another machine and OS), the new tab can appear just anywhere, most often at the leftmost-but-one position.
[ADDED]
Q1 solved: about:config, browser.tabs.insertRelatedAfterCurrent=false
for me FF3.0 is now a thing of the past.
[/ADDED]
2.
could we please get a new button on the "Edit message" page for suggs&bugs forum, pressing it would stuff the answers to your typical questions (what browser? JavaScript enabled? cookies enabled? ...) right into the message.
TIA
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Could we have a limit to the length of the subject field, say 100 characters, to prevent people from posting ridiculously long titles that scroll over multiple lines? This[^] one's a monster for instance.
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Hear hear.
100 characters on entry, and 1 line on display should suffice.
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How long is 1 line?
Now how long is 1 line deep in a thread with the reader's browser set to take up only half the page width?
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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It's currently at 250 characters and to be honest I'm loathe to fiddle with it too much.
0.53% of message subjects in the last month are over 100 characters, and 0.01% are over 200 characters. Changing the limit will affect very, very few members and will solve an issue that is extremely rare, but at the same time I just know someone in the lounge will want to do something ridiculous and potentially amusing and there will be a sad face that day.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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640KB ought to be enough for any subject line.
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Chris Maunder wrote: someone in the lounge will want to do something ridiculous and potentially amusing and ...
huh?[^]
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