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Convince your boss that without a raise you'll seek greener pastures.
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Before you even approach your boss, you need to have another job in hand. You don't need to accept it, just make sure you have a landing pad. Depending on the maturity of the management chain, you may end up getting walked to the door. Some bosses interpret reality as a threat and simply not tolerate it. Others will see it as a sign of leadership and promote you.
Now, I've been a manager, and the things I learned are simply mind boggling. Organizations have no way of quantifying the cost to replace a person. They chalk it down to "the person who left"'s fault. There is a sweet spot the company is looking for. They want to pay you just enough to keep you from walking, no more. If you live down the street, and your commute is short, they will factor this into the salary equation. It really doesn't matter what market conditions are - what matters is how much will it take to keep you from walking. Since you haven't walked yet, but are thinking about it, they are getting close to the sweet spot, aren't they?
As bizarre as it seems the company will be more than willing to hire your replacement at the going market rate. The only trade off is everyone's vacation time resets. Vacation time is the one thing I've never been able to negotiate. Weird.
Anyway, if you are that far below the market, I'd be looking hard right now. Only *you* will act in your best interest. This is life.
chg
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Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
how vital enterprise application are for proactive organizations leveraging collective synergy to think outside the box and formulate their key objectives into a win-win game plan with a quality-driven approach that focuses on empowering key players to drive-up their core competencies and increase expectations with an all-around initiative to drive up the bottom-line. But of course, that's all a "high level" overview of things
--thedailywtf 3/21/06
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If you like your job, keep it, sometimes it's not worth the extra money to go look elsewhere.
Normally, if you like your job, and the "job" likes you; meaning that you have a good work ethic, good performance, and your boss is happy with out, then, at the next evaluation; you should have one, ask for a raise, be realistic, don't over do it; show your results, show that you meet all expectations, and the whole shebang.
Maximilien Lincourt
Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad
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If your current salary is way below what you are looking for (and you know you could get elsewhere) then you realy have no choice but to go.
You can try to persuade your existing boss that your worth the raise but its unlikly you will get what your looking for. Even if you can demonstrate that you are doing a brilliant job and working your butt off it wont get you anywhere. Do you know why? Because as far as your boss is concerned thats exactly what he is paying you your current wage to do.
He isnt paying you a poor wage so you can turn up and do an average job. he is paying you to do a brilliant job regardless of the fact it may be a low wage by market standards. Also even if you get a raise (probably the bare minimum your boss thinks he can get away with) you just know your not going to get another one for a VERY long time.
Your boss wants to do the best for the company which means paying the staff as little as they can get away with. You on the other hand probably dont give a rats arse about the company but you want to do the best for yourself and your family, which means getting the most pay you can possibly get (a bit of job satisfaction is nice but it wont put food on the table). These 2 views dont exactly compliment each other so really the answer is simple:
If you like your job and will put up with the pay - Stay
If you want more pay (Ever) - Leave
Jon
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Work completed as requested.
Thanks!
I only read CP for the articles.
Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
Modified on: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 12:02:32 PM -- or you to reply.
I only read CP for the articles.
Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
Modified on: Thursday, February 23, 2006 3:18:19 PM --
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Hi All,
I am working in XML and related technologies in my company and i am planning to do aome certi. of XML and heard about Altova XMLSpy certification exam(ACXSE) though it is free but i dont know this certification havin any value in the market or not....
help me..
Thanks in advance.
Sushant Mathur
Bangalore,
INDIA
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Havent heard of such yet... but it seems pointless that they'd have certficiation for an IDE. Dont get me wrong, I think XMLSPY is a great tool -- but so is Visual Studio. MS hasnt released (and would NEVER release) an exam for VS IDE!!
- malhar
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Software Developer
Mumbai
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I have 5 years of experience in Data architect, development and coding.
-Strong background in structured systems and data analysis.
-Strong knowledge of Sqlserver,Oracle,Access.fluent in both PL/SQL and SQL language.
-Strong background C#,Delphi,Java(j2ee:Struts,Hibernat,Spring)
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There are tonnes of opportunities in china for good people
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Yes,but the salary is very very low in china. equal to 10% European programmer's salary.
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John.Jiang wrote: nd have MapPoint,Gps,CDMA,GSM location services programming experience
Try Rentacoder and other related Freelancer sites
"Opinions are neither right nor wrong. I cannot change your opinion. I can, however, change what influences your opinion." - David Crow
cheers,
Alok Gupta
VC Forum Q&A :- I/ IV
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thank you for your advice
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if any persons or companies want to set up a company in china , i can help to set up a company,look for employees and others.
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Anyone can offer me a job?Thanks
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You can try to register at www.Project4Hire.com and try to get hired for some of the projects listed.
Best of luck
Project4Hire.com - Find Freelance Progammers and Graphic Designers for all your project needs
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I have been going crazy with trying to figure out how I can get back into the workplace after being gone for 3 years. I worked with VB6 on a desktop application 3 years ago, and worked for 3 years on a VB 3 application. But I have been programming for 14 years in other programming languages.
So I am trying to teach myself C#. I would like to take a test in C# to prove to myself and to prospective employers that I have a certain level of compentency in C#. I have no work experience with C#. I have one online source for C# (learnvisualstudio.com) that is a fairly cheap and descent source for teaching myself C#. I also have 3-4 C# books to help.
So I looked into the Microsoft Certification and there is a new path to follow that involves something called MCPD (with specialties in Web or Windows or Enterprise). Many of the test are in beta or about to be released in the next few months.
The problem is that I have been told that the test 70-548 replaces the 70-315. But when I look at the skills that will be measured by the 70-548 I immediately run into trouble. The first skill talks about "proof of concept". I have no idea what proof of concept is. I did find some microsoft papers and it looks like proof of concept is along the lines of building a prototype? I am tempted to take the 70-315, but it is not based upon .net 2.0. I am going to post a separate question on proof-of-concept... but it is a good example of my frustration.
So I feel a bit lost right now in my direction. I could just keep on studying the 4-5 C# books that I have and be ok with this. But I was hoping to take some sort of test to prove my knowledge.
Another option I am exploring is taking a class because putting the class on my resume, or being able to say I took a class might instill some confidence in a prospective employer (and maybe myself also).
Any advice from anyone? Hopefully this is the proper place to post this question?
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No great solutions here, and I realise this is very late, but I was in your position at the same time, so here is my experience.
I passed 70-315 last year because I wanted to move out of support and into C# development (70-548 replaces 70-316, by the way - Windows-based programming). I also had a feeling that finding a job after having a baby would be a bit of a challenge, so I went for the "easiest" exam given my personal experience with web development. I can't say it got me the job I wanted - my current position involves supporting Microsoft Word! - but it did help to "fill in the blank" on my CV a little, and I got some positive feedback from recruitment agencies (not that they would know 70-315 from a CompTIA A+ - but at least they were willing to put my CV forward).
I have to say getting a job when there's a gap on your CV is an uphill struggle, whatever worthwhile thing you've been doing since your last job. Just getting to the interview stage was a pain - Recruiters loathe it when they can't tell at a glance what you've been up to, so anything you can put to fill in your three years might get you past the initial hurdle. If you have the time and the money, I say go for the exam - I'm sure decent study guides will turn up soon.
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Thank-you for the words of encouragement and unfortunately you are not too late! I am still studying C#, ADO programming w/SQL. But I have decided to abandon the idea of taking the test right now. Although I am using the topics listed by Microsoft as a guideline to my studies. A class still might be warranted because it does stop me from delving too deeply into a particular topic.
Another option I am exploring is getting some sort of non-paying or intern-type position. It should end up being a symbiotic-type relationship in the end. They get some work for free, and I get some training. It is hard though to find a company that has the initial time to put up front to provide the resources I need to get started... but then they get a reward in some free work (eventually!)
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I used to have a high opinion about the CMM5 level companies in India. Recently we interviewed a Wipro Manager for one of our .NET onsite requirements. From his resume it looks like he delivered 3 .NET Projects. In interview he was not able to answer even basic .Net Questions. He managed to answer some Project Management questions that too after lot of hesitation.
I am just wondering about their standards.
Elite
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I think that 'their standards' is a horribly racist thing to say. Would you like to be judged by the standards of the worst developer in your country ? Would you expect to live up to the standards of the best ?
Given how cheap Indians come, a lot of people are desperately hoping they all suck, but the truth is some are good and some are not, just like developers in every country.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Well said!
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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Elite2000 wrote: Recently we interviewed a Wipro Manager for one of our .NET onsite requirements. From his resume it looks like he delivered 3 .NET Projects.
Very susprising? actaully some people can code but can't elobrorate on that.. now take a situation, a MBA can talk on any topics but he couldn't code... actually many people suffering similiar problem they can do good coding, fast bug fixing and implementing logic but can't do good talking....
I believe as you interviwing a MANAGER post, you must be very well know there is much difference between good coding and coding.
I too suffer similiar problem .
"Opinions are neither right nor wrong. I cannot change your opinion. I can, however, change what influences your opinion." - David Crow
cheers,
Alok Gupta
VC Forum Q&A :- I/ IV
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