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Actually MCSE and MCSD are two totally different lines of certification. One is not "higher" than the other. MCSE is for system engineers, people that want to setup and maintain networks and domains, for people that want to learn about Active Directory. There are many "flavors" of this cert and here is what MS says about it... "Microsoft Certified Systems Engineers (MCSEs) design and implement an infrastructure solution that is based on the Windows operating system and Microsoft Windows Server System software. Specializations include MCSE: Messaging and MCSE: Security."
MCSD is for developers. It is for people that are programming in VB.Net, C#, or Managed C++ (recently added). There have been quite a few developer bases certs to expand on this now too (MCTS, MCAD, MCPD).
There are some certifications like the MCDBA that require database exams and also Windows server exams. Take a look at the offical page if you want to know about what a certain certification is about.
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/certifications.asp[^]
From personal experiences, people that get MCSD can USUALLY do some basic MCSE tasks, and MCSE's can USUALLY do basic programming, but you normally pick one or the other to go into. Not saying that you couldn't do both, but you would not want to be viewed as a paper-MCSE or paper-MCSD.
Steve Maier, MCSD MCAD
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You probably mean MCAD or MCSD. It wont do you much good swotting VB.Net going into a MCSE (Certified Systems Engineer) exam. MCSE is for Operating systems and stuff.
MCAD is a lower level than MCSD and is aimed at the desktop developer rather than an Enterprise solutions developer. Its up to you if you want to do the MCAD first then do the extra units for MCSD or go for the MCSD qualification. The reality is you will need to do the MCAD units anyway so you can stop there if you want. Best for you to have a look at the offical info on the Microsoft website.
To be honest i dont really think either is worth the bother. Some companies may prefer you to have one as they can get points for the Microsoft Partner Program but its up to you.
Jon
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I'm so sick of coding for hire. I'm just fed up with it. I have some ideas and I'm ready to write my own systems and sell them instead of writing other peoples. I'm not seeking someone for work right now. Instead I'm seeking a pool of people who would be willing to give me there personal email addresses so that I can tap them as resources later.
Having said that I need someone who:
1. Has an internet connection, email and a desire to work on extra projects.
2. Very good in Asp .Net 1.x and 2.x.
3. Very good with SQL Server 2000 and SQL Server 2005.
4. Has been doing ASP work for hire for at least 2 years and is self-employed doing it for hire.
5. Wants to do contract work in ASP .Net. 
I have ties to a lot of companies wanting a lot of work at times. There will be years (like this one) where I might keep you pretty busy. There might also be some dry spells so please don't expect me to be your gravy train.
Having said all of that if you are interested contact me. Using the email link down by the reply link. I do have a spam filter that is evil. I collect blocked messages every few days or so. You may not get a reply from me right away. If you get no reply at all please post here and let me know.
- Rex
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e never used CPhog. The act of using CPhog alone doesn't make Firefox cool. It opens your eyes to the possibilities and then you start looking for other things like CPhog and your eyes are suddenly open to all sorts of useful things all through Firefox. - (Self Quote)
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Hi Rex,
I'm currently in a similar position as you are, with an awful lot of contract work. However, part of my vision as a company is to get some work in the US, mainly so that my future customers can benefit from the folowing advantages:
1. Lower costs. Definitely, software development in Mexico is much cheaper than in the United States.
2. Culture, geographic location and timezone. As you mention, there are very few cultural differences between the US and Mexico, and we are close enough to make travelling practical.
I'm not American, but I don't think my English is that bad, and I comply with the other four points, so I guess I qualify for your interest. 
We currently have a lot of work (we are fully booked for the next two or three months), but anyway I'm very interested in making this alliance that could benefit us both (and anyone else who wants to join).
You'll get my email address on the notification message you receive from this post. I will be out of town for the weekend, starting tomorrow, so I might not reply immediately. I look forward to hearing from you soon, and I hope we can work something out together!
Luis Alonso Ramos
Intelectix
Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
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Me too. I think I'm going to create a domain on my ASP .Net server where those that are interested can sign-in and we can discuss things. I was thinking of using a PHPBB message board so we could have a place to chat stuff out. Let everyone be admins and we can create groups and stuff based upon events.
Soon as I get more responses I'll follow up by email. ![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
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Luis Alonso Ramos wrote: Lower costs. Definitely, software development in Mexico is much cheaper than in the United States.
Lower than here in Indonesia. How much per hour does the rate in US dollars? I think people around here will gladly take $2/hour work.
<italic>Work hard, Work effectively.
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No, I don't think the rate here is lower than in Indonesia. Here in Mexico it probably costs $25-35 (US dollars) per hour of work.
However, our main advantage with US customers over India/Indonesia/anything-around-you is that our culture is very similar, the time zone is the same (I'm in Mountain time), and that traveling is actually practical, since a 1:30 hr flight will put me in Houston/Dallas and from there I can fly to anywhere in the US.
Luis Alonso Ramos
Intelectix
Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
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code-frog wrote: DISCLAIMER: I'm not anti-indian developer at all. I had to work with 3 of them for years at my old company and language and cultural differences are very hard to work around. That's my only reason
for excluding Indian developers.
Thanks for excluding a few million developers based on your experiences with a staggering THREE of them. Indians form the second largest group on Codeproject and the largest membership count on Java User Group.
What about Indians who have a valid residency in the USA (aka green card)? If you are excluding them - you are discriminating based on national origin.
code-frog, I must say I really didnt see this coming from you.
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I thought the strike throughs were enough. Let me add more.![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
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Vivek Rajan wrote: code-frog, I must say I really didnt see this coming from you.
Yeah, I was kinda taken aback too! Though, at least he was honest about it.
Regards,
Nish
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: Yeah, I was kinda taken aback too! Though, at least he was honest about it.
Me thinks, I came across all wrong. Made a major mistake and am truly sorry for that. I was very tired, over-worked and should have thought more about *what* I was saying.
My *very* sincere apologies and yes I was being honest but not in the way I intended (or should ever have).
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code-frog wrote: My *very* sincere apologies and yes I was being honest but not in the way I intended (or should ever have).
Hey Rex,
I posted that before I read your other posts about Wipro. If you look at the time-stamps, it was my first post in this thread. I now understand what you were trying to say, but when I made this specific post, I did feel a little taken aback. It's all okay now though
Regards,
Nish
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code-frog wrote: I'm not anti-indian developer at all.
Thats ok, Everyone is entitled to have an opinion but some people might say....
Opinions are like a**holes everybody's got one but most of them stinks 
DISCLAIMER: I'm not anti code-frog at all, i'm just not that crazy about frogs
Master.. Master.. where are the dreams that i've been after...
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I modified my post a bit more. I left the original stuff in there but it's state has changed a bit.
Please be careful judging me regarding this issue. You have to understand that I and my former company had a nightmare experience with WIPRO and I admit it's not fair of me to apply that to all Indian contractors.
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Relax Rex, i was just messin with ya
i know you are alright anyone can have a bad experience with anyone.
But since wipro is a big company here i am curious what happened?
Master.. Master.. where's the dreams that i've been after...
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Oh Geez!!! You want me to write a book eh?
Well, I'll be brief at first and you can dig with more questions where you might be interested.
I used to work for Micron Technology, Inc. I was on the team that worked directly with WIPRO and WIPRO was writing are new manufacturing project management system. It was huge with terrabyte databases in memory (using perl), C++ middleware and VB 6.0 front-ends. My job was to qualify all the code coming in from WIPRO and sign-off that it was ready to go into our manufacturing system for production. Keep in mind 1 hour of downtime in 1 facility = $1 million in loss and that's on the conservative side.
So to begin with their production system V 1.0 had no error handlers in any of the code anywhere. None. I reported this and they sent the VB 6.0 code back in less than 1 hour and they had put this in every sub/method/function
On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
ErrorHandler:
ResumeNext
That was how things started. Well not really. My boss and I had been battling it out with them for months because of differences in what Americans (us) felt was quality software that was well written and what WIPRO (them) felt was well-written quality software. We wanted a minimum of 2 levels of redundancy in non MFG critical code and 3 or 4 levels in MFG critical code. WIPRO was reluctant to provide even 1 level even though in the analysis and requirements document that we received from them multiple levels of redundancy were spelled out in clear terms.
It just went back and forth like that. We had to fight tooth and nail for every feature. Then when they released the code to us I found issues in every single release from the PERL, C++ and VB none of it was done right every. So we'd ship it back and say it was wrong. Fight with them on why. I cannot count the times I had to stay up late in the night and haggle it out with OFFSHORE over why something wasn't going to work. In some cases they would ship code that would not work at all with their other code. We'd explain this and they'd say well we cannot release our beta code that we've upgraded to it's not ready. So they would claim they met the release on time but really they didn't the other half of the system wasn't done but because the frontend was they they felt they met their deadline.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!
It was so tedious to work with them. I spent more time fixing their code then I spent writing my own. Here's the final kicker. I wrote Microns memory build and hot-lot tracking system it was a world-wide application and in the 3 years I owned it my downtime due to my code was less than .0001%. WIPRO took it over after I left and in 6 months downtime in that system was up to 20%. That really sealed it for me. Then I talked with my peers at Albertsons who also had to work with WIPRO and their story was identical. Junk, garbage, worthless stuff coming from WIPRO.
So I decided then and there to wash my hands of anything to do with WIPRO ever again.
- Rex
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code-frog wrote: On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
ErrorHandler:
ResumeNext
hahahahahaha..., thats bad really bad, i have seen VB programmers do that a lot On Error resume next
i think they ripped you guys off, there is no explaination for this kind of behaviour, think what would have happened if you were not checking the code from them  and what ever they sent was installed (millions of dollors in losses)
well if i see a guy from wipro i will surely convey your regards
Master.. Master.. where's the dreams that i've been after...
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That was just it though. They didn't think there was a problem at all. They thought I was the problem. This was during a time when buffer attacks were huge. They were not checking string lengths in anything they had no security code at all. If someone wanted to use the system maliciously boy could they ever. Prior to working with WIPRO I thought nothing could be worse than the 3 years I spent working in SAP R/3 and their nightmare ABAP programming language. WIPRO convinced me otherwise and in short order...
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That must have been painful. I am not very surprised though. Big companies like Wipro hire 1000s every month without doing a proper quality check on the candidate. And you also had to pick the VB6 team - yeah, that sure made things better for you, didn't it? 
Wipro is such a large company that I am sure they must have some good teams too. But their best people are probably reserved for on-client-site work in the US and the UK. When you have work completely done in India, you can be pretty sure that it's the 2nd layer of coders who are working on it.
Regards,
Nish
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This project was enormous. We had a dozen of their top designers on site at all times and these guys would ship the requirements off-shore to India. I don't recall the exact number of developers but I was lead to believe it was a pile. It wasn't just VB either. The project in it's entire scope was SAP R/3, VB 6.0, VC++ 6.0, ATL, MTS, PERL, Python, HTML and it worked against Sybase, SQL Server, Oracle and SAP.
The crux in all of it was that WIPRO was way out of their depth on it. I don't know the end outcome of the system but I know at one point in time my former company was considering killing the project and bringing it to our Plant Operations division which believed it could author the same system (much better, in less time and for less money). The only people who didn't believe them were WIPRO and our top-level managers every developer involved knew that Plant Operations was the correct way to go and that WIPRO should have been flushed but anyhow...
It stunk!!!
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code-frog wrote: It stunk!!!
From your descriptions, I can imagine that it must have.
But I still disagree with your attitude that all Indian developers would be bad at development and would not be able to communicate fluently in English. Of course it's probably my patriotism at work there too.
Also, since your mind-set is fixed thus, against Indians, it may be a bad idea for you to ever again interact professionally with Indian developers. With this sort of prejudice, things would surely go wrong very fast. So it's probably a good thing that you clearly specify that you will not accept work from people of Indian origin (even if they are Green Card holders or citizens in the States).
Good luck in future with American developers though.
Regards,
Nish
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code-frog wrote: I didn't want to because it's *so* hard to understand many of them who have such thick English accents.
I understand. My accent is probably pretty bad too, and I know there are lots of Indians with even stronger (thicker) accents. So I can imagine it must be pretty tough for you.
Regards,
Nish
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You could avoid the sentence
DISCLAIMER: I'm not anti-indian developer at all. I had to work with 3 of them for years at my old company and language and cultural differences are very hard to work around. That's my only reason
for excluding Indian developers. So please don't take this the wrong way. After 3 years of it I had my fill.
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I modified my post.
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