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Bradml wrote: Of course i strive for excellence, but have you ever heard of prioritizing?
Yes, I have. I would have fixed the basic add, change, and delete functions before releasing the product. I believe that's the right order. I would have fixed the bugs before going on an extended biking trip. Or at least assigned someone else to do so. I believe that's proper priority. I could be wrong, of course, but I don't think so.
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The bike trip has nothing to do with it, and maybe Chris is just being lazy... By I don't really care that much about this. I am a user, not the coder, so don't question my development methods because I don't care about someone else's mistake.
Brad
Australian
- Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript"
A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
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Bradml wrote: By I don't really care that much about this. I am a user, not the coder, so don't question my development methods because I don't care about someone else's mistake.
See, it is an attitude thing. Are we in a loop here?
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I guess so...
The statement that you quoted there was mis-interperated i fear. I, as a user of this product, am not worried about the bug. I understand that Chris has a lot to do and you cannot expect him to catch everything. I would like to see it fixed, but there is no rush.
As a developer I don't care about a piece of software I have nothing to do with.
Brad
Australian
- Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript"
A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
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Bradml wrote: As a developer I don't care about a piece of software I have nothing to do with.
"No man is an island, entire of itself..."
You should care. About everything. We're all in the same boat.
People can't get along unless they first agree to objective standards of behavior. And that's all I'm promoting in this thread. Look above. Some guy reported the bug and I said nothing. (It would, of course, be better if there was a "bug forum" so bug reports didn't have to go in the suggestion box, but that suggestion has been made before. And if they haven't got it after seven years, I guess they just don't get it.) I objected to the "work around" suggested in the first reply; I saw this as a very bad thing. "Work arounds" are what allow bugs to persist; without a "work around", there is much more pressure to do the right thing and fix the problem.
In short, "striving for excellence" and "work arounds" are incompatible terms. Pick one.
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The Grand Negus wrote: You should care. About everything. We're all in the same boat.
But I don't. I don't give a rats ass about not being able to remove my DOB from my profile(not that it is up there). As long as I can still post to the boards and read the articles I don't care. If at any time Chris asked me for help then I would care, but at this point in time I do not.
Brad
Australian
- Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript"
A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
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Then we are in a loop. You've got the wrong attitude.
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You are yet to explain what is wrong about the fact that I don't mind a mistake.
Brad
Australian
- Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript"
A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
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Bradml wrote: You are yet to explain what is wrong about the fact that I don't mind a mistake.
People either act on (1) principle or on (2) expediency. The principle here is that "bugs should be fixed". Period. But expediency says, "It doesn't concern me, so I don't care; Am I my brother's keeper?".
Now consider: A man is being robbed outside your window. Principle says, "This is wrong. Rescue him." But expediency says, "It doesn't concern me, so I don't care."
And please don't argue that this is different in kind; it is only different in degree. Like the girl who agrees to sell herself for a million dollars and then balks when the guy decides to pay only five. "What kind of a girl do you think I am?" she says; and he (rightly) replies: "We've already determined that. We're just quibbling about the price."
He that is faithful in small things, will be faithful in large. If you are not faithful in that which is another mans', who will give you that which is your own?
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The Grand Negus wrote: Perhaps. And there's all that biking, too.
A bit venomous isn't it?
Steve
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Stephen Hewitt wrote: A bit venomous isn't it?
Like Brad said elsewhere in this thread, it a matter of prioritizing.
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The Grand Negus wrote: Like Brad said elsewhere in this thread, it a matter of prioritizing.
What, and business always rates before pleasure?
Steve
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Stephen Hewitt wrote: What, and business always rates before pleasure?
Okay, boys and girls, here's the thought. No bike riding until you're homework's done. If you're diligent and apply yourself wisely, you'll find there's time for both.
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I think the Negus has a point even if he is somewhat lacking in tact. I like the CodeProject as much as anyone but the truth is the truth.
Steve
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Stephen Hewitt wrote: I think the Negus has a point even if he is somewhat lacking in tact. I like the CodeProject as much as anyone but the truth is the truth.
Thank you. And perhaps you'll find this quote, from my master Niklaus Wirth, a bit more tactful:
"'Good enough software' is rarely good enough. It is a sad manifestation of the spirit of modern times, in which an individual's pride in his/her work has become rare. The idea that one might derive satisfaction from his or her successful work, because that work is ingenious, beautiful, or just pleasing, has become ridiculed. Nothing but economic success and monetary reward is acceptable. Hence our occupations have become mere jobs. But quality of work can be expected only through personal satisfaction, dedication and enjoyment. In our profession, precision and perfection are not a dispensable luxury, but a simple necessity."
The curious thing is that I stumbled on this quote in an article posted here[^].
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This issue seems to be fixed.
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Hey Chris,
I just posted my 15th article to CP, so my Author Status on my profile page should now indicate that I'm "prolific." But it still says that I'm a "writer." I suppose both are true, but I'd rather it read "prolific." 
Thanks for any help!
:josh:
My WPF Blog[ ^]
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit. - Aristotle
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Everything's updated each weekend. Until then you should refer to yourself as "Prolific, Pending" 
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Chris how does that work though? (ok yes I am being very interested in CP lately) Would you not judge the level of a user (at least as displayed by the profile page) on the page itself?
Brad
Australian
- Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript"
A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
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No, we do a lot of pre-calculation and caching.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Would that have to do with the voting system? Or are there other factors that my shiny silver membership count towards?
Brad
Australian
- Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript"
A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
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We don't just count articles and messages posted, but the votes that have been tallied against them (and each vote's weight). It's a massive process that takes most of a day to complete.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Ok so you have some seriously complex stuff going on in bobs head. I am curious as to why you didn't go for a auto update approach, like set the SQL to update what is required automatically.
(tell me to shut up whenever)
Brad
Australian
- Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript"
A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
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Because that would trigger a large chunk of work each time an article, article vote, message or message vote was registered, and if there was a lot of action on a specific article, message or even just a member then everything would get bogged down.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Ok I wont ask you any more questions, you probably need to feed bob. I would have thought that a SQL call like:
[....]; UPDATE `usertable.tally` SET Votes = Votes+5 WHERE UID=xXxXxXxXx;
(very simplified version.)
But I don't know exactly how you guys do your thing so maybe something like that would slow it all down.
Brad
Australian
- Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript"
A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
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