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Vasudevan Deepak K wrote: I think this page has not been updated in the newer CodeProject.
MVP award winners' list was announced on 4th Jan, which is after the site upgrade. In fact, you had called me up, if you remember.
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True Rajesh. My doubt was that 'Hall of Fame' page might be old. Since MVP Award Winners notification came through MessageBoards.
Nevermind, if you see another thread, you can find Chris has checked the database and found the issue. It seemed to be some technical snag.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: craziness
I think the word 'craze' itself would suffice. Isn't it? Once in another post, I used 'guiltiness' in a particular context and some one guided me that 'guilt' itself would hold good. The 'ness' suffix would be redundant.
I feel the same argument applicable for this word also. Or am I wrong? Can some one throw more light on this?
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Vasudevan Deepak K wrote: The 'ness' suffix would be redundant.
No. Craziness means madness, going insane, etc.
Vasudevan Deepak K wrote: Can some one throw more light on this?
Let there be Light...[^]
Some more light[^]
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Thank you. 
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
Personal Homepage
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson
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The bug is fixed and the new version wiull be uploaded soon
Sincerely,
Elina
Life is great!!!
Enjoy every moment of it! 
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You've already provided a RSS link for each category of latest updated articles. For Asp.net section it's something like this:
http://www.codeproject.com/webservices/articlerss.aspx?cat=4
It would be great if you could also provide a filterable RSS feed based on the minimum rating of articles. Here is an example of latest ASP.Net articles whose rating is at least 3
http://www.codeproject.com/webservices/articlerss.aspx?cat=4&rate=3
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I think that when you vote <= 3 for an article you should have to give a reason why your voting this low. These suggestions could then be passed on to the author. I'm sick of people giving me crummy votes but not telling me what they thought was wrong or where it could be better. How can you improve something if people don't tell you whats wrong?
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I agree it is both wise and polite to tell the author what you liked/disliked about his article,
but IMO you can not really force people to do so:
- if you provide a text box, they can and often will leave it empty, or enter some nonsense,
if they really don't want to justify the vote;
- if you replace a single vote scale by several multiple-choice questions (say voting separately
on content, form, clarity, inventiveness, etc) you probably will discourage people from voting
in the first place.
One thing I did suggest in the past is CP to collect voting statistics on the voters, and
show those on their personal page, so people voting 1 (or 5) most of the time, would
reveal themselves globally.
The next step would be to "correct" their vote, i.e. to apply an offset that makes them shift
their average to a more reasonnable value.
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i'm not suggesting a forced suggestion all the time and not a long one either. Just when someone gives you a one or a two its pretty crappy for your overall article score. i posted an article yesterday which i thought was half decent and today i get a 2 for it then i check the comments, nothing! It's so annoying. I think asking people to suggest when they vote 1 or 2 would be reasonable and would probably help to discourage consistent 1 voters who just go round trying to make articles look bad.
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Maybe the best would be to ignore say the most extereme 20% of the votes, so the average shown
would actually be the average of only 80% of the votes. When doing so, as soon as you got
six votes, the lone 1 would disappear completetely.
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Maybe including a weighted standard deviation of the vote could be added in. If someone has a high weighted standard deviation on their vote, then it could possibly indicate a wide range of votes, or if the weighted standard deviation is small, then the range is smaller and possibly a more true indicator.
"I guess it's what separates the professionals from the drag and drop, girly wirly, namby pamby, wishy washy, can't code for crap types." - Pete O'Hanlon
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That is nonsense to me. Standard deviation is used to measure the agreement between many people
on one issue, and not the agreement of opinions of one person on many different issues.
If I were to vote 5 (or 1 as the Univoter seems to do) on every article, then that does not offer
any information, hence it has no value; whereas if I vote 1 on half of the articles, and 5 on
the other half, I am offering a lot of information, and I am clearly telling I like some and
dislike some, so there is then no reason to moderate my votes.
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Luc Pattyn wrote: That is nonsense
Not so. I think it would be helpful in casting out the junk votes that the Univoter likes to cast. If you know the standard deviation, then you have an idea of the distribution of the votes.
"I guess it's what separates the professionals from the drag and drop, girly wirly, namby pamby, wishy washy, can't code for crap types." - Pete O'Hanlon
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Paul Conrad wrote: ... if the weighted standard deviation is small, then the range is smaller and possibly a more true indicator. <blockquote>>
The univoter's deviation is zero, you can't get it any smaller; I am pretty sure his votes
don't give a true indication of the articles' values.
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That's true. I was just trying to get some ideas spinning to find a way to get a decent sample of votes that could disregard univotes. Maybe some feature the author can see a breakdown of each vote by the vote and membership level ( no revealing of the actual member being allowed )?
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I just got done fiddling around with the idea in Excel, and it's probably best to leave the voting system the way it is 
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eliminating the extremes (known as "modified Bucholtz" to some), what I explained in the message
that got you started on standard deviations, is the best remedy known to me for the current
anomalies and complaints, but it only works when there is a sufficient number of votes (at least 5 or so).
There is no solution for avoiding the first vote, whether considered too favorable or too
unfavorable.
I'll add another suggestion to this thread in a separate message.
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Luc Pattyn wrote: at least 5 or so
Yes. You couldn't really use the modified Bucholtz when there are too few votes. On the other hand, when you get articles where there are 50+ votes, it's pretty pointless.
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Do you mean something like tossing out the outliers? Throw out one 1 vote and one 5 vote? There is always the possibility of getting a 1 vote or a 5 vote from a person who just doesn't know what they are voting, just some random moron 
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I agree with you. Badly voting without an apparent reason is really weird.
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler.
-- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
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The ANZAC wrote: vote <= 3 for an article you should have to give a reason why your voting this low
This has been suggested many times over and over.
The ANZAC wrote: How can you improve something if people don't tell you whats wrong?
I think that is what the forum at the bottom of the article should be used for. Maybe there could be a way to take the low vote and allow the voter to be forced to leave a message in the forum without revealing who he or she is, since leaving a message doesn't necessarily mean you voted.
"I guess it's what separates the professionals from the drag and drop, girly wirly, namby pamby, wishy washy, can't code for crap types." - Pete O'Hanlon
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I'll try another suggestion here:
1. add a short radio-buttoned list (with mutually exclusive items, unchecked by default),
asking for the most relevant comment:
- bad formatting
- too short
- unintelligable
- irrelevant
- plain wrong
- fine
- great
2. disable the vote button as long as nothing got checked.
3. show the percentages of the selected comments (optimization: only to the author, and the
people that already voted on the article).
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I agree on that one. I don't see why people would object. There is nothing overly revealing about the voter with this approach. The radio buttons/checkboxes can then be a tool for the author to improve him/herself.
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Yes this could be displayed much like the weekly poll, as a sort of article profile. That way you would know where you have to improve your article. I only suggest one more item, Other with a textbox to write in.
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