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I've been against it from the beginning and I think it's pretty clear the experiment is a failure.
It serves no useful purpose, reduces the level of discourse down to the "grunts" of clicking on 1's or 5's, alienates and angers people when it is misused or abused, has become a kind of game with the asocial and antagonistic and it is more often than not misused.
Just get rid of it, it's an embarassment to this site -- a thorn in the side of this site that really, really doesn't need to be there.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it."
-Sam Levenson
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Why get rid of it? Just need to come up with a way to keep people from misusing or abusing the rating system. This goes for articles, as well.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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Why get rid of it???? Did you even read my post or only the title. I could have given more reasons. It's a shambles and should not exist. How many other quality messageboards anywhere on the internet do you see with a rating system?
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it."
-Sam Levenson
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John C wrote: Did you even read my post
Yes, I did, and this topic has been beaten to death for a long time on this site.
John C wrote: should not exist
Well, I've always felt that uni-voters should be forced to reply why they vote a 1...
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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Paul Conrad wrote: Well, I've always felt that uni-voters should be forced to reply why they vote a 1...
That will buy you a reply like "ail;sefj;asd;lkf" with every 1 vote. I strongly agree with John on this topic.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: a reply like "ail;sefj;asd;lkf" with every 1 vote
That is true, but then the uni-voter would be exposed. Bottom line, everyone should quit going on about the voting system because Chris will not part ways with it.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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Paul Conrad wrote: Bottom line, everyone should quit going on about the voting system because Chris will not part ways with it.
I think one reason it's still there is the drama it brings to the website 
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: drama
What's wrong with a little drama? 
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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Paul Conrad wrote:
What's wrong with a little drama?
Nothing at all 
In fact I strongly believe that guys like Henize, Kyle and Bill Sergio are major factors in attracting people to the CP forums. Life here would have been a tad boring without these characters. It'd be like action movies without villains.
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I agree. They do make the soapbox interesting when they are not acting like a broken record 
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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Drama is best experienced on *other* sites, this one is supposed to be a site for professionals and serious students and amateurs and needs to conduct itself in a professional manner if it intends to keep running by attracting quality people to post and write articles here as well as attracting advertising.
Anyone can go to any other site and indulge in flame wars etc. Anything that encourages that behaviour should be nipped in the bud in every possible manner. Getting rid of voting is one easy one to do right away.
This isn't a democracy, it's Chris' site and also by a good margin the site of anyone who cares about it since it's community driven but in the end Chris needs to do what's best for the site not sit by and appease the least common denominators.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it."
-Sam Levenson
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Paul Conrad wrote: Yes, I did, and this topic has been beaten to death for a long time on this site
No, it hasn't. As a typical bunch of software developers all manner of time has been spent kicking around every conceivable technical solution to univoters and other abuse but as is typical no one has bothered to state the obvious: just get rid of it, it serves *no* useful purpose. It's called thinking outside the box.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it."
-Sam Levenson
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John C wrote: It's called thinking outside the box
Not Luddism?
Jon
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That's funny, I've accused others of being luddites here myself but I never expected anyone to attribute it to me.
Seriously though, no it isn't. Sometimes the best feature you can add to a program is to take an annoyance that serves no useful purpose away from it.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it."
-Sam Levenson
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John C wrote: No, it hasn't
Yes, it has, and seems to come up about once every six months or so. This topic has come up before and is pretty much dead.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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I've brought up getting rid of the voting system a few times since it's inception, I don't recall anyone else suggesting it.
I do recall endless and regular threads about all manner of ways of fine tuning it, as far as I can see there is no way of fine tuning it but getting rid of it fixes the problem in one go.
So far not one person has ever posted a reason why they like it that I can see, only fatalistic posts about how were stuck with it as if the users of this site are powerless or something.
I don't recall anyone bothering to take any time to defend it either, possibly because it's easier to just 1 vote me than to have a meaningful conversation about it which illustrates my argument beautifully.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it."
-Sam Levenson
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I like the system on MSDN forums where you can mark a reply as a "good answer". Its CP equivalent would be that you can vote a post a 5 or not vote at all. Voting a post a 1 kinda brings bad feeling all around.
Of course, "Mark as abuse" should still be there. But it shouldn't gray out a post. If enough people mark a post as abuse it should be auto-deleted but without ever showing gray. That way people won't be able to use mob-voting to remove any particular member's posts.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: If enough people mark a post as abuse it should be auto-deleted but without ever showing gray.
I've often thought that clicking the abuse button should reduce the post's opacity by 10%. If enough people click abuse, the post would completely disappear.
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Hans Dietrich wrote: If enough people click abuse, the post would completely disappear.
I agree. I've found voting abuse for the posts that should be in the SB that spill over into the Lounge, sort of keeps the SB stuff in place.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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Paul Conrad wrote: sort of keeps the SB stuff in place.
But we need a "belongs in the lounge" button, in SB. 
Jon
Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Yes, and vise versa, a "belongs in the Soapbox" button, in the Lounge
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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Paul Conrad wrote: Yes, and vise versa, a "belongs in the Soapbox" button, in the Lounge
If it got used frequently, everyone would fall asleep reading the Lounge.
Jon
Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Maybe we could have a "Send to Soapbox" button, and it could slowly appear on the soapbox whilst it was disappearing from the lounge!
Peter
"Until the invention of the computer, the machine gun was the device that enabled humans to make the most mistakes in the smallest amount of time."
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It's such a tiny issue to get worked up about.
Jon
Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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