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I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but I think it is not fair that some members qualify newcomer's articles with 1, when them haven't been authorized for publishing.
Votes of 1 are not easy to overpass for beginners that are trying to improve their article day by day.
This option (voting) should be blocked for a while.
Best regards,
Jaime.
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If a beginner is trying to improve their article day by day then they should not submit it until it is in a publishable state.
If they need help before that stage there is a Moderator system in place, all they have to do is ask for the assistance of one of the moderators.
Henry Minute
Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain
Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?"
“I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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How can a beginner improve his/her article without the help of other members? They have to be published!
There is a reason for "Article moderation" warning to exist. Experienced members should guide newcomers to produce publishable articles instead of discouraging them with votes of 1.
Best regards,
Jaime.
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The reputation of the site depends on having good quality articles. You are a Gold member and therefore you get the opportunity to see some of the utter dross that gets submitted. Simply the template with, if we are lucky, 'Hello' added by the author, adverts, spam and others like that. Are you really suggesting that we automatically publish all submitted articles?
Nobody wants to discourage prospective authors, but they can see what is classed as a publishable article and yet some of them still submit nonsense, broken code, or plagiarised stuff. As I said before there is assistance for those that want it.
Henry Minute
Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain
Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?"
“I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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Henry Minute wrote: Are you really suggesting that we automatically publish all submitted articles?
I am not a native english speaker but I am sure that is not what I expressed before.
What I am suggesting is that, during the "moderation period", members shouldn't be allowed to vote for 1. Instead, they shall kindly provide suggestions to improve newcomer's articles.
Best regards,
Jaime.
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Jaime Olivares wrote: I am not a native english speaker but I am sure that is not what I expressed before.
In your second post you stated "They must be published!"
As Luc has stated below, 1 and 2 votes require a comment. Most good members post helpful comments and the article and thereafter the vote should improve. Non-helpful members would post unhelpful comments even without the vote. Having to make a comment actually stops some members from low voting.
I suspect that we are destined not to agree on this, but that is OK. The debate is a good thing. 
Henry Minute
Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain
Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?"
“I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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Well, I see there are many assumptions based on balance and good intentions. I am trying to figure out if there is an automated way to control this.
Best regards,
Jaime.
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Jaime Olivares wrote: I am trying to figure out if there is an automated way to control this.
If you arrive at something feasible, I would be very interested to see it.
In the mean time I think that the current system is about as good as this type of system can be.
Henry Minute
Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain
Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?"
“I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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when an article gets voted down by someone meaning well, he also adds a message explaining what in his mind the shortcomings are; so the author can act upon that information and improve his article. If all goes well, the critical person would then comment on the improved article and cast a new vote, which replaces his original vote. This process can happen with non-gold articles (they appear as "article needing approval" on the home page for gold people only; or with gold articles, which become public as soon as the author makes them public.
And there is the possibility for an author to request a mentor, someone who will comment privately and offer guidance. Not sure how it works in detail, it is pretty new.
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Luc Pattyn wrote: when an article gets voted down by someone meaning well, he also adds a message explaining what in his mind the shortcomings are; so the author can act upon that information and improve his article
Hmm, not sure if this really happens on the practice... Members can suggest without voting 1, at least during "moderation period". Or they can do, of course, if the "article" is not an article. Even in some cases I suggest authors to move very short publications to their blogs.
Luc Pattyn wrote: And there is the possibility for an author to request a mentor, someone who will comment privately and offer guidance. Not sure how it works in detail, it is pretty new.
I think this won't work for a very new member. Who to ask for?
Best regards,
Jaime.
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Jaime Olivares wrote: Who to ask for?
The mentors are volunteers; they have a "mentor" icon on their personal page. As I said, I don't know any details.
Two more things:
1. this site has a community that works pretty well and means well on average; so when an article or message gets a vote that is considered too low, lots of people tend to compensate right away. And when the low vote is outrageous, the message gets "marked for removal"; when removed, the vote that went with it also disappears.
2. votes from silver/gold/platinum members have a higher weight, so low votes by new and less experienced members are easily corrected by more mature readers if need be.
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Sounds fair.
I am curious about this:
Luc Pattyn wrote: And when the low vote is outrageous, the message gets "marked for removal"; when removed, the vote that went with it also disappears
Vote and comments are not sent in the same transaction, but independently. How you can be sure you will remove votes along with unfair comments? Just professional curiosity 
Best regards,
Jaime.
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Jaime Olivares wrote: How you can be sure...
That's for the web masters to answer. Maybe they keep track of all the votes (value and voter); or they try and undo a vote corresponding to the message subject line. Don't really know. I do know they constantly try to make it as fair as reasonably possible.
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Luc Pattyn wrote: non-gold articles (they appear as "article needing approval" on the home page for gold people only; or with gold articles, which become public as soon as the author makes them public.
Is this so?
So that means a person with Gold status can publish a article without having to be approved?
Meaning if I where to write an article (in a couple months after I'm gold) that is my first article it become's public without having to be approved?
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Yes (disclaimer: subject to confirmation by CP staff ).
DaveBTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)
Visual Basic is not used by normal people so we're not covering it here. (Uncyclopedia)
Why are you using VB6? Do you hate yourself? (Christian Graus)
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Heum, the angel in me now says get to writing that article so at the very least your first one is moderated.
The devil says wait till you hit gold 
Who to listen to???
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Even a 'Gold' one will be nuked if it's crap. Going through moderation just means it gets nuked without public humiliation!
I'm sure yours will be fine - you've been here 3 1/2 years so you should know what you're doing, so what are you waiting for... get writing - NOW! 
DaveBTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)
Visual Basic is not used by normal people so we're not covering it here. (Uncyclopedia)
Why are you using VB6? Do you hate yourself? (Christian Graus)
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DaveyM69 wrote: public humiliation!
Way to motivate someone
DaveyM69 wrote: so what are you waiting for... get writing - NOW!
Waiting for that idea to pop up in my mind
And not much time, between work / social life / and renovation (well actually completely rebuilding) a duplex apartment there isn't much time left for anything else.
But one day I'll get to it, one day I tell you
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The pre-approval votes and messages get deleted when/if the article gets approved. Personally, I don't like that.
There's a lot not to like about the whole process.
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I was checking the latest articles web slice (around 20:30 GMT) and found that there was an article by me in it. The web slice showed an article named Linq To Object query by Eslam Afifi. I didn't write any articles at all but I did reply to a message with the same name[^] in the LINQ forum. It's also the most recent post I made before this one. I refreshed the web slice but it was still showing the article. When I clicked the link in the web slice it redirected to the page unavailable error page. The same behavior confirmed by a friend in a different location who has just subscribed to the web slice just to confirm the bug. Before posting this (around 21:00 GMT), I checked the web slice again and it doesn't show the article anymore. I also uploaded a screenshot of it here[^].
Eslam Afifi
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Does it take into account geographical location? It says
Congratulations.Based on your profile, 218 of our employer partners have expressed an interest in hearing more about you.
Is this the number of employers who have actually expressed an interest in the CPian, or is it CP that's been doing the matching?
Because the 5 offers in the email were all US-based, and I checked the listings for the first time and there aren't any in India.
BTW, USD 300 is about Rs. 15,000, and
1. I'm sure HRs/recruiters are not looking at CP
2. The techies who might post about an opening are not likely to earn that much as a referral benefit, so it would be a net loss to them
So, just a suggestion, you might want to lower your rates, although there are too many variables involved. For example, lowering India prices would likely invite howls of protest, and lowering prices across the board might severely eat into your margins, etc.
Cheers,
Vikram. (Cracked not one CCC, but two!)
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This[^] is an unedited article so it will probably be picked up when edited, but all the messages are appearing in bold - looks like he hasn't closed a tag (better than earlier when the whole article was bold!)
DaveBTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)
Visual Basic is not used by normal people so we're not covering it here. (Uncyclopedia)
Why are you using VB6? Do you hate yourself? (Christian Graus)
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DaveyM69 wrote: but all the messages are appearing in bold
Checked the article and there is no bold text
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Everything from the licence section downwards is showing as bold for me including all it's forum messages.
DaveBTW, in software, hope and pray is not a viable strategy. (Luc Pattyn)
Visual Basic is not used by normal people so we're not covering it here. (Uncyclopedia)
Why are you using VB6? Do you hate yourself? (Christian Graus)
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I think bold tag can be allowed but the editor should autoclose every open tag when document ends. It is nice to have feature. 
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