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I'll repeat my question: if you vote my message up, I get points that depend on your color, OK. And you want to get points that depend on whose color, yours or mine?
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum
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Luc Pattyn wrote: And you want to get points that depend on whose color, yours or mine?
Mine.
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As the system currently functions, there is little reward for voting, so I think your idea definitely has some merit. What if simply voting continued to be rewarded by 1 point, and adding a reason, even if it only says "My 5", for your vote gained you an additional point? Personally I find it odd that you can vote and remain anonymous ...
Espen Harlinn
Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services
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Espen Harlinn wrote: As the system currently functions, there is little reward for voting, so I think
your idea definitely has some merit. What if simply voting continued to be
rewarded by 1 point, and adding a reason, even if it only says "My 5", for your
vote gained you an additional point? Personally I find it odd that you can vote
and remain anonymous ...
Well the comment gets you an extra point now. So if you vote and comment, that's 2 points. I think the vote should be at least 5 and as for the comment, I reckon 1 is fine.
BTW I specifically had you in mind when I made this thread. You contribute so much with your answer reviews and appropriate votes, but I don't think you are rewarded fairly for that. It's a thankless job and yet you seem to do it every day. I truly respect that! 
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Copying three words nearly at random from the question, searching google, and pasting in a link to the first answer, without reading it, awards me at least 10 points, more if I was lucky and hit an actual answer.
Working out a reasoned answer is often less awarding ... this seems to justify some change in how we reward people who actually makes an effort when it comes to evaluating answers, as it should serve as a mechanism to improve the average quality of the answers.
The real problem would be to come up with a solution that rewarded me for making at least a little effort checking the correctness of a solution.
Blind voting currently awards me 1 point - That I actually try to put a little effort into the activity gains me nothing as far as the system is concerned, on the other hand it cannot be denied that it encourages some members to review my own answers, and I guess purely blind voting would have the opposite effect
Espen Harlinn
Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services
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Yeah I agree. In fact after seeing your efforts, I've started doing it too. I try and go through the answers and then I mark the best ones 5 and I choose one answer specifically that I think is the most correct approach (in my opinion) and I propose it as answer. Sadly the OP sometimes ignores this and marks a lesser quality response as the accepted answer. Not a big deal though since it's evantually the OP's call there!
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I'm not sure that's such a good idea. I think 1 point for down-voting (because down-voting is a particpatory act, too), and 2 or maybe 3 for upvoting, and that should be as far as it goes. The ability to vote isn't based on level, so the points awarded to the voter shouldn't be either.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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Members don't need encouragement to downvote, especially malicious ones, and encouraging members to upvote is more valuable. Further, if someone wants to game the system then the pain caused by spurious upvotes is not as bas as that from spurious downvotes.
There will not be points for downvoting. We do reward reporting of items because the reporting system will display the names of those who reported the item should the item get closed. It's transparent to all (especially site admins since we keep track of all reports).
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: then the pain caused by spurious upvotes
I would say that's extremely unlikely to happen. Unless someone makes sock puppet accounts to vote their own posts up. That's one reason I suggested the weighted system there!
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I think the voting points shouldn't change. I like points to be somewhat proportional to the combination of effort spent plus value added.
Posting an answer in a programming forum takes some thinking and some doing, and gives you 10 Authority (plus the possibility of getting upvotes and bookmarks, and the risk of getting downvotes). Upvoting (and downvoting and bookmarking) the same message should result in only a fraction of such points to the person voting/bookmarking as it is easy, mostly invisible, and open for abuse.
FYI: bookmarking has been abused for a while now; I haven't reported it before, I just saw another one of my "you're welcome" messages (which I post when my reply gets upvoted and acknowledged with a "thank you" message) being bookmarked. That does not make any sense whatsoever.
Suggestion: there should be a lower limit to a post's length to make it eligible for up-voting and bookmarking. Say if there are less than 50 non-whitespace characters, just don't offer voting and bookmarking tools.
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum
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I will not do anything that threatens the art of the laconic reply. Some of the best posts are one liners.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Have a 5, purely for the use of the word "laconic". 
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You are right. That was a bad idea...
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum
Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they preserve indentation, improve readability, and make me actually look at the code.
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Oh, I just bookmarked your post... 
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: Unless someone makes sock puppet accounts
Nobody here would EVER do that...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Weighting voting points based on your current level is inconsistent and self-perpetuating.
Your goal is to rewards those who vote, so let me work on something that achieves that.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: Weighting voting points based on your current level is inconsistent and
self-perpetuating.
Yes, others feel so too.
Chris Maunder wrote: Your goal is to rewards those who vote, so let me work on something that
achieves that.
Yes, that's correct. A suggestion would be to increase it from 1 point to at least 5 points.
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Yep, casting votes (and bookmarking) is good, unless it gets abused. And there is quite some bookmark abuse at the moment, see my recent reply to Nish in this thread.
Here is an idea:
- provide a small bonus to vote casting;
- however limit the bonus frequency to something that depends on another positive activity (such as posting messages).
Conceptual example:
upvoting is rewarded by 1 point (as is now), however if you post N messages today, then your first N votes today each will get an extra 2 points. That way, someone who is serious about it gets rewarded, the abusers aren't.
A specific proposal, pretty simple and probably easy to implement:
- take the delta of the total rep over the last year, and divide that number by some constant factor, I suggest 1000;
- now let that be the upper limit one can get as a simple-action-bonus, awarded when doing things that could be positive, such as voting up and bookmarking.
Example: assuming a member had total rep of 100K one year ago, and 150K today, then the daily bonus limit would be 50K/1000 = 50; therefore a maximum of 25 votes/bookmarks a day would get a 2-point bonus, for a potential total of 366*50=18K points per year on top of the yearly earned 50K, so that would be a potential 36% bonus.
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum
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I think this is a good idea Nish, but what the hell do I know?
My only concern is the potential for people to upvote just to get the points; just like some people post B.S. answers in the QA forums just to get the points.
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You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a specialist.
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I guess this feature is no more there and thus the button needs to be removed. A small one and can be ignored/put in the to-do way below.
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The link to "How to ask a question" in the C++ forum is broken.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Thanks - we'll get this sorted ASAP.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Looks fine to me.
The best things in life are not things.
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Click on the "link" link to the message. Is borked.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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I must be blind or extremely stupid, but the only 'link' I can see is the second of the two fixed messages at the top of the forum. 
[edit]Both!  [/edit]
The best things in life are not things.
modified on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 11:46 AM
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