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Hi guys, I'm thinking of giving up my day joband going to school full time. Being married with a child its going to be hard but I want a job in programming. is a 2 year degree(AAS in internet programming-java,.net,sql,as/400,linux,etc) going to do me any good?
I spent 8 years in the military working on yuk 7 dinosaurs
programming machine code and assy which hasnt helped much,
does it take a CS degree? thanks whatt
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whatt,
Check out the following:
http://news.devx.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb.exe?cmd=article&group=careers.advice&item=2598&utag=
Tomas
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wow, was that depressing. looks like a c.s degree is the minimum to play.thanks,whatt
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Not true. I have a 2-year Associate Degree in CPT and know more than most of the CS BA's at work. The trick is you have to enjoy development; it must be more than a job. If you are only looking for a job to make good money don't bother.
Sink-or-swim, I am sticking to my IT career wherever it goes, and most of the employers I talk to respect that kind of professional commitment.
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We have a couple of people here who are ridiculously territorial about their code. They will not accept any criticism or improvement suggestions about anything they've written or worked on. If someone else dares to make any sort of changes to any files, classes, or functions that they've worked on, they often become quite irrate. This can even be for something as trivial as changing a comment. One guy had a temper tantrum that lasted more than a month after he was forced to give in to an issue during a code review.
How have other people learned to deal with these types of co-workers? I have tried to get my boss involved but he just blows me off. Of course, he's not the one getting yelled at.
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Do the "territorial" people give any explanation for their stance? I would guess one or more of the following is going on:
1. These individuals think they have written "perfect" code and other people are messing it up.
2. It could be that these guys are not that confident in what they have written and fear someone digging into their sloppy work.
3. They may view their work as a "piece of art" that someone is about to destroy. (The perfect class separation that someone is going to subvert.)
Is it possible that these guys are much better at what they do than the rest of the team and other people do tend to "mess up" their code?
Here are some of my thoughts:
1. Have you discussed the problem directly with the individuals? You might want to be pretty blunt about it, explaining that the developers need to work as a team and no one "owns" any portion of the code. Tell them that you've noticed they get very upset when someone suggests changes to the code they have written. If this is really a big problem, what's the worst that could happen - you might offend them and they might leave? Would that be a bad thing?
2. Is there another developer that these people would "look up to" and respect their opinions about code changes?
3. Another option would be to solicit help from the person who wrote the initial code for suggestions on how any changes should be made (but make it clear that someone else will be making the changes). "Fred is going to be working on some new interfaces to the object you wrote, can you help give him some direction on how best to implement those changes."
4. Call the temper tantrum guy into your office and tell him he's been whining for over a month and he needs to get over it. (I probably wouldn't want to allow him to complain for a month though in the future.)
How's any of that strike you? I'm not sure how these guys affect the overall atmosphere in the office, but even if they are the "most productive", you may need to consider whether overall production suffers because of them.
I know that my natural reaction is to be somewhat territorial with the code I've written, but I also realize I need other developers to make changes if all the work is going to be done that needs to be done. If I don't like what someone else wants to do, I at least try to offer an alternative implementation.
Neal Stublen
http://www.awesoftware.com
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I would suggest taking the approach that they
are feeling overly *responsible* for their code
sections.
That implies the best intentions on their part
in reacting to changes, and may help steer them
into more productive attitudes when you need to
confront them.
People want to be good, but sometimes they need
the opening or excuse provided to them.
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Hi all
I am a H1B visa holder working in a secure job in the USA. I am a hardcore C++/MFC/Windows guy but I am now stuck in a support job adding to trivial issues and bugs. I have decided enough is enough, the frustration I am going through is unbearable.
I want to give it up and look for a job in Canada, even if I end up making less money. I am looking at it from a long term career perspective. Is this feasible? Are jobs available in Canada for internatioal workers?
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lvguy1972 wrote:
I am a H1B visa holder working in a secure job in the USA
You must be nuts looking for a job in Canada when you have secured job in US that too when thousands of people are on the bench in USA.
lvguy1972 wrote:
Are jobs available in Canada for internatioal workers?
Canada work permit system different from USA. You need have a job first then only you can get the work permit.
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 Thats why I said "dont think me crazy..."
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Hi: I'm a mexican developer in VC++, I like Databases, DirectX, COM, & ATL especially. If you have a employment in whatever country, I will go. 
Saludos desde el Caribe Mexicano
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Miguel,
I'm not sure if there are any jobs here in U.S. that are sponsoring international workers, but I'll look around. In the meantime feel free to send me your resume, so if I find something I can submit it.
Gracias y tengas un buen dia. Deseo que tienes buen suerte buscando por el trabajo.
R.Bischoff | C++
.NET, Kommst du mit?
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Hi: I'm a mexican developer in VC++, I like Databases, DirectX, COM, & ATL especially. If you have a employment in whatever country, I will go.
Saludos desde el Caribe Mexicano
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The experience section of my resume lists job title, comapany name, start date - end date then under that I list the things I did there. I need to add a consultant job. I only did it for one company. Should I put Consultant company name start-end date or should I put Consultant Self-employed start-end date then under that tell the company name that I consulted for.
Cathy
Life's uncertain, have dessert first!
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Cathy wrote:
Should I put Consultant company name start-end date or should I put Consultant Self-employed start-end date then under that tell the company name that I consulted for.
"Hi my name is David and I am not a recruiter"
This was something I asked when I came to redo my CV a couple of weeks back and this was the advice I was given...
Can you break it into two seperate entries? For some jobs showing you have given self employment a go (even if you didn't succeed at it or if it was for a short time) tells a lot about your character to your benefit, and you should briefly list your main duties for yourself under the "Consultant Self-employed" title - even if they are fairly trivial for the position/s you are applying for. Then mention the company with the same start-end dates and list the duties you did there seperately.
Cathy wrote:
Life's uncertain, have dessert first!
Cream Sundae with lemon topping? hmm...
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David Wulff wrote:
"Hi my name is David and I am not a recruiter"
huh?
Thanks! I went to your website to see your resume. Unfortunatly it wasn't available but you did offer to sent it. Could you send it please? I like your SouthPark freelance developer guy. Can I use him?
David Wulff wrote:
Cream Sundae
Do you mean ice cream? Ya know, we've made vast improvements to the English language and you guys need to incorporate these improvements.
Cathy
Life's uncertain, have dessert first!
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Cathy wrote:
huh?
Never mind, it was just to point out that I am not writing that from a recruiters POV.
Cathy wrote:
Could you send it please?
Sure thing.
Cathy wrote:
Can I use him?
If you'd like, though he is a caricature of me. 
Cathy wrote:
Do you mean ice cream?
Nope, down here in Devon we use 100% whole clotted cream drowning in 100% whole single cream. Loverly. :yum:
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I can already code in C++ EXTREMELY well. I design most all of my applications in win32 I do fully understand how to program in MFC as well. Most of my programs are usually DirectX or OpenGL games that I write in my spare time in C/C++ using MSVC++6. I was wondering what would be a good choice for me to do. I have tooken a few college classes yet they don't really hold my intrest what so ever. Im really not intrested in going to a 4 year college to learn Visual Basic. I don't like visual basic and I would rather learn something really useful and acutally apply my knowledge. It seems like whenever I want to learn some thing by the time I have reached the point where we are going to learn it I am already way past what they are trying to teach me if you catch my drift. I am wondering exactly what to do. I really want to go into the buisness field yet it seems like im in a complicated situation. I do however intend to take a few more college classes after I graduate mostly in physics, math, and programming if possible. Does anyone have any suggestions to how to find resumes of the area of "computer game development" and what the employers are currently seeking in inviduals entering the industry. I already have a fairly decent resume on gamasutra.com if anyone has any other suggestions please post them.
- LiquidKnight
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What do you mean when you state "I really want to go into the business field yet it seems like im in a complicated situation"?
I have a BS degree in Business and have worked as a programmer and/or manager for many years. I owned a business for a while. You don't need a CS degree to work in the computer field.
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Yea i know thats what i have thought but it seems like eveyrone is all GET A DEGREE GET A DEGREE if you get what i mean.. Sure it owuld be nice but i really dont see a reaosn to get one
- LiquidKnight
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You dont need a degree, but you are going to make your life a lot easier when you are competing against a ton of other developers that do have degree. The problem with many employers right now, is that there are so many available candidates that they want to pick the best looking developers on paper before they invite them in for an interview.
Many employers make a BSCS a requirement for the job. Even though you may be able to program circles around all of the developers with degrees, the human resources screener would not even consider you because you do not meet the basic requirements.
The way that you will get a job without a degree is by using your contacts, and getting in touch directly with the hiring managers. Once they see what type of developer you are, they may want to hire you on merit, even though you do not meet their basic requirements on paper.
Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day
Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!
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In my mind, one benefit of having a degree is that it shows an employer that you have a certain amount of discipline. You've worked for four years toward a goal and didn't quit because you got bored with it or came across something more interesting.
If I were looking to hire someone, I would want to see some indication that the individual has some ability to work through times when the work is not fully stimulating. (Is there anyone out there that always finds their work fully stimulating?)
I would hope that a college education also offers some breadth to your experiences. I would prefer to work with someone whose life goes beyond C++ and games development. (Though it seems college degrees are becoming more and more specialized.)
Neal Stublen
http://www.awesoftware.com
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The main obstacle with getting a job in the game programming industry is that they want you to have previous game-programming experience. The trick then is to take a few of your well polished games and submit them with your resume.
The other trick is to use your contacts to get in touch with the hiring managers directly. The Human resources screeners will weed you out the moment they see you. They do not understand talent, they only understand numbers and minimum requirements.
Good Luck
Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day
Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!
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It's getting to the stage where I'm going to get back into contacting companies to find a job. I was wondering if people had suggestions about the best way to contact them?
Specifically, I'm after some kind of development work. I've got the most experience with front-end web development with ASP (and a small dose of COM w/ VB), but am now getting seriously into .NET and ASP.NET in particular.
Anyway, it's not so much who to contact, but the best way to do it? Is a small email asking if companies are recruiting the best thing to do -- and then include some kind of CV etc. in a follow-up?
Thanks for any suggestions! (as ever  )
--
Paul
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