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I am sure there is an answer somewhere to this but I cannot find it..
In a recent case, my rather benign message that was in response to comments that contained, in my opinion, at least disparaging, and possibly abusive content just disappeared (shows as "deleted"). Is it because certain users are allowed to delete other users comments? And if so, how can a mere mortal like me find out what actually happened? Here is this particular example:
See Converting to a modern UI[^]
Well since I am ranting now at full throttle, here is some more on similar matters:
I read only a small number of posts, but a pattern is clear with a number of prolific posters (person in the link by far the most obvious example). A question, perhaps not formulated too well, emerges. The asker is then told off in a fairly rude form that the question is basically illterate, incorrect, unclear or so on. Or something to the effect of buzzing off and checking the documentation. Sometimes an answer which is basically a google search is given, often incorrect, often misleading without understanding. Is this all a quest to get as many posts as possible? The net result is that the asker (probably a computer science student or a beginner of some sort) is likely to go away and never come back to this forum. I am not sure how to fix this, but the rule should be that if you are not an expert in the area, or if you haven't encountered the problem, or if you are not sure, do not waste server space. Quantity is not quality. How to enforce it I am not sure (may be impossible).
Also, has any consideration been given to adding an "Ignore user" feature like on some other forums? I just find impossible that comments/answers/messages emanating from a poster at a rate of 20-60 per hour (calculated, sustained rate, not even allowing for sleep) can be useful. There are so many brilliant answers/comments/articles on CP - they get obscured by these incessant posts.
And, yes, in case if you are wondering I am all for freedom of speech
Thank you
modified 1-Mar-13 1:02am.
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Seal cracked on can, worms trying to break out...
Well, it looks like I was right in the middle of the exchange of comments for that particular link. After my last comment, I had not looked back at the post before I read this, so I did not see the comment you had deleted and have no idea why that was.
I am not sure what to tell you regarding your main concern. A lot of the answers are great, detailed and show the poster got involved trying to help the OP solve the problem. Then there is the other side.
There are a lot of questions in QA that should never have been asked and most of the time, I don't mind if the OP gets told off and never comes back, but i agree it is not always appropriate and you never know when a valuable member decides to just log off forever because of it.
In case you are wondering, my references are intentionally general as I am trying to address the average answer and not necessarily those supplied by one or a few individuals.
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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Soren
Firstly I have never had any problems with any of your comments of answers. I wasn't of course referring to your comments in the particular thread that I have described - I think it is crystal clear if you read the exchange.
First part of the question is - how is it possible for posters to delete other posters messages? I tried to find out on help pages but cannot see the answer to the question. Just to make sure, I re-posted it and it is deleted again. So it has been deleted twice.
The second part of my post has no easy answer - may be a moderator or two should have a quiet word with particular individuals otherwise it is just getting too heavy, to the effect that quantity is not quality. But somehow I don't think it has a high chance of succeeding.
Cheers
modified 4-Mar-13 18:09pm.
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Sorry to have left you hanging like this. I was hoping someone else would have jumped in.
Don't worry, I did not feel in any way you were referring to me, I just wanted to note that I had not read the comment you had deleted even though I had been making comments just before that.
Anyway, to answer your first question: Yes, members with sufficient reputation points can delete comments made by other members. I am not exactly sure, but I suspect it follows the privileges for deleting Questions and Answers, so Gold level in Author, Authority, Editor or Organiser (see the Privileges tab on your profile page).
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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Thank you, Soren
That explains it.
I guess I will have to think carefully if I should report the member and see what happens
If anybody has any advice please jump in (moderators?)
Cheers
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I've just seen this thread, so I apologise if it seems like I'm late to the party. I have, on occasion, deleted comments from QA. There are two instances where I do so.
1. If the comment is blatantly abusive.
2. If the comment is spam.
If I can delete comments, then so can many others.
I also delete questions for the same reasons, plus one other - if it's a repost with no answers to it, and the original post has answers. In this particular case, I always put a comment on the question before I delete it (ths poster will receive a notification with my explanatino for why I deleted it).
Finally, and not wanting to bad mouth the guy, many many people have had run ins with this particular individual. A lot of the time, he gives good answers - he's just not receptive to not lecturing others.
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Thanks Pete for the explanation.
A lot of the time this particular individual gives useless answers too, which is understandable given the rate at which his answers are coming out. Probably barely has time to think before typing.
Well, maybe personal vendetta is not justified in this case then. But I find it discouraging to see my comment deleted, when his much more disparaging (IMO) comments can stand on the same thread/exchange.
Anyhow, thank you I might reserve "Report user" till next time
Cheers
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Talking about this post here:
Clicketity[^]
I am not sure about that and to be honest I somehow don't get what the OP wants to tell us...
Edit: Just seen that SoMad has posted this in the Spam forum. Case cleared
modified 21-Feb-13 17:31pm.
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Is it possible to compare a changed article up for approval with the latest public release of that article?
I am unable to find an option like comparing the different revisions of a published article.
I am looking at this approval http://www.codeproject.com/script/Articles/ArticleVersion.aspx?waid=62879&aid=325876[^].
If I compare it outside CP I can only find the removal off one space from the end off the first sentence.
0100000101101110011001000111001011101001
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Click on the Revisions link on the left. From there you can do a Compare and it will show up in a side-by-side view.
Unfortunately the header above the revisions shows the same date and time, but I assume the content is correctly chosen from the revisions being compared.
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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Can someone somehow slow him down. I don't think a full ban is needed but a gentle nudge may help to slow him down and get him back on side.
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
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Link to an example?
Got it.
And so have 3 others. He'll get the message in another couple of posts I reckon.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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24 hours later, William is sober enough to check the link.
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
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A particular user has been identified as using sock puppets to target people who don't vote 5 for his article. I tried to talk to the user to explain that these accounts have been identified as sock puppets, but he's behaved the same way to me as he has to others. I feel that his behaviour is abusing the site, so I have marked his account as abuse accordingly. If I'm wrong about the sock puppets, could you please remove my abuse vote from his account - otherwise, could you have a word about his behaviour? He's already made the list in the Spam and Abuse forum.
Details here[^].
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He has sent me two private messages. One in which he wants me to ask you to contact him in private.
If you wish to do so, you need to tell me where to send his message.
"The ones who care enough to do it right care too much to compromise."
Matthew Faithfull
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I believe he's also got in touch with Chris and Sean. I'll let them sort it out.
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If you feel his priv-messages are out of order, you should forward them to Chris as well.
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The messages are not abusive.
I'll let Chris handle it.
I just hope I'm wrong about the whole thing and that we're dealing with someone misguided that has unknowingly used a bug in the system.
"The ones who care enough to do it right care too much to compromise."
Matthew Faithfull
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I hope so as well. The reason I posted here was so that Chris could step in and check the logs. All we have is guess work and supposition based on some "odd" patterns. Who knows, maybe 2+2 equals 5 in this particular instance.
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Let's hope that's how it is.
While having high tolerance to content, I'm having low tolerance to misuse... and even lower to being wrong.
"The ones who care enough to do it right care too much to compromise."
Matthew Faithfull
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We're never wrong. We're just not yet proved right.
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I like your thinking.
"The ones who care enough to do it right care too much to compromise."
Matthew Faithfull
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This user has contacted Sean and I via email and phone. I've replied letting him know we'll investigate the situation and take whatever action is needed.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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I'd like to ask for you to reactivate his account. Michael got in touch with me earlier this morning and apologised, and that takes a big man. As I said, I don't think his articles are that bad, and I believe that he's been a little overenthusiastic and I would hate to see us loose a valuable resource over something so stupid as this. I was wrong to vote his account as abusive, and I would like to take this opportunity to publicly apologise to Michael for doing so; I badly overreacted thinking that he didn't want help, when the reality appears to be that he misunderstood what I was trying to say and that was my fault for not being clear enough. I'd hate to see him be punished over my fault.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: Michael got in touch with me earlier this morning and apologised, and that takes
a big man
No, that takes a man that just got his account suspended.
When he apologises to all the people whos messages he has removed I might reconsider.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote: I badly overreacted thinking that he didn't want help
Until I'm proven wrong I believe he removed messages systematically.
"The ones who care enough to do it right care too much to compromise."
Matthew Faithfull
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