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Sounds like "no" then.
Tim Lesher <<A HREF="mailto:tlesher@gmail.com">tim@lesher.ws>
www.lesher.ws
WinDev: the Windows Developers' Mailing List
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Back in the dark ages, I did a university course something along the lines of "Survey of Computer Languages", which involved writing a simple program or two in various languages of the day. FORTRAN, APL (!), a couple of others I forget and the dreaded COBOL.
At the top of the second COBOL program I wrote
THIS IS THE SECOND COBOL PROGRAM I HAVE EVER WRITTEN.
I SINCERELY HOPE IT IS THE LAST. It got rejected, and I was asked to write another. I never did.
Cheers,
Peter
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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VB rules the dark side of the software universe. VB 6 is indestructable.
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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Many years ago I interviewed for and got an asp classic role with a bank in the city (of London). Cool - so I turn up for the first day and go through all the usual on-boarding stuff and meet my co-workers. The manager puts me with the guys I'll be working with and says they'll show me the ropes.
Then we start to talk and it turns out that the role is not for asp classic, but jsp and java beans or some-such non-microsofty fluff.
So I go talk to the manager and he tells me that they had decided to go with asp for new projects and, between interviewing and starting, had changed their minds and decided to stay open source.
Kinda didn't work out.
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So, have you found other option?
I do not fear of failure. I fear of giving up out of frustration.
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??? This was a long time ago, when asp classic was still the dogs bollocks and .Net hadn't even been thought of yet!.
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Actually, I was asking, if you start looking for another job or were you continued working regardless
I do not fear of failure. I fear of giving up out of frustration.
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Oh , tight. No, left there and then.
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I even did VB.net for a year. It wasn't a pleasant year, though.
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I always learn - it makes it easier to prove, why it is the wrong one...And if it is the good one, then let go...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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leave me alone .. i still wanna cry
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'Nuff said.
/ravi
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Having worked with these I made sure to never put their experience on my resume.
When companies would mention they used either in an interview I always made it clear that it was something I did not want to work with.
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Quite a few years back, a client asked us about providing a web-based system. (I'll leave out the details.) My colleague found an open source system using php/mysql (and untouched for over 5 years at that time) and asked if I could rebrand it and get it working for a demo. A week later, after much swearing we had something that worked and presented it to the client. More than two years passed when they asked to see that system again, and this time decided they wanted it. 4 months before the final product was to be delivered, I made a stand and refused to do any more work in PHP. The product was rewritten from scratch in a proper maintainable language/framework and delivered on time. I hope I never see php again!
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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i would love to know what technology you used instead
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Member 10425001 wrote: what technology you used instead
We used ASP.Net/MSSQL and hosted the application in Azure.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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I have (so far ) succeeded to avoid the situation by listing the languages I know and want to work in in my resume. I do not mention ADA, COBOL and several others because I do not want to work with them.
I am relatively language agnostic - I am not such a purist that I will refuse to work in any modern .NET language, including Visual Basic.
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Lord, grant me the serenity to accept that there are some things I just can’t keep up with, the determination to keep up with the things I must keep up with, and the wisdom to find a good RSS feed from someone who keeps up with what I’d like to, but just don’t have the damn bandwidth to handle right now.
© 2009, Rex Hammock
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I had a series of Windows Services to write and my boss said I had to use VB instead of my preferred C# as "all the company code" was in VB. I then noticed we had a couple of stand-alone applications written in C#. Everything else was web-pages in VB.
I pointed these applications out as C# and that my boss had been the one to write most of them!
He conceded that I could use C# for the services as long as all my web-pages were in VB. Success!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I had a consulting gig where I was asked to write the same product in multiple programming languages. I listed the reasons why this is a terrible idea. After some back-and-forth, they understood why using 1 programming language for 1 product (a simple Web app) was the right approach.
In full-time gigs, I pushed back, but ultimately relented because that's what I was being paid to do. And since the company was willing to pay for training, I would've been foolish to say no.
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It has been my experience that if you refuse to do a task then you get dismissed, and that includes being forced to code in VB/VB.Net. Now, if you are self-employed then you call the shots and no one can force you to do anything...mostly.
So, you try to negotiate, but in the end, if management want's to abuse you, then they abuse you, and you will take it, and like it, or you will go work for another pimp.
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Web Forms.
To be fair, I always advocate replacing the deprecated piles of concern-mixing garbage, but time is money.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli
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... most customers care about their problem being solved not how it is solved (and if they do, then I stay clear of them since they have heard something out of context which would make the project hell and convincing them otherwise would be a waste of time and effort).
I do however stay clear of languages which force you to do compilation in your head before writing code (like c++, php) or don't have debuggers.
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Mehdi Gholam wrote: to do compilation in your head before writing code (like c++, php) PHP is an interpreter, so you are one step ahead if you already compile it in your head before writing the code. But yes, interpreters are worthless, especially because they are unable to detect many errors before finally hitting the row at runtime.
But what's the problem with C++? It usually is a compiler, so why do you need to compile the code in your head? Knowing beforehand what kind of code you can expect may be enormously helpful, but the greatest part of all C++ programmers apparently have somehow managed to stay afloat with obviously not even as much as a clue to what they were doing.
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Comes the thought of the day and I find myself willing to right in PUN!
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"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Nonetheless, I did a work-around and duplicated the entire VFP application as my first C#, excusing it as a way to learn that language. The VFP ran for a few months, the C#, for about eight years. The interfaces were made nearly indistinguishable - although the change wasn't a guarded secret (just unannounced until asked).
At the time, by the way, MicroSloth had already announced they were dropping all support for VFP. The IT Director who insisted on that, knowing, in fact that I hated the language and hardly knew it, was eventually give the Pink Slip.
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"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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