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Size matters.
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I wonder who makes these estimations and decisions.
Probably managers who just heard a buzzword, name a price that's high enough to be believable, but low enough to fit in the budget and then management tells some IT people to "move to the cloud".
For example, moving workstations to the cloud is a bad idea.
A powerful enough cloud VM costs a couple of $100's a month.
A equally powerful laptop costs a couple of $1000's once.
The laptop is cheaper after about a year or two, but it'll probably last about five years.
Bad case for the cloud.
On the other hand, I have a small customer with no IT whatsoever.
They literally did everything on paper and then had a computer for some Excel stuff.
I made them a small web application, hosted it in Azure, with an Azure SQL database, Azure AD integration and a Key Vault for security.
Costs them about €50 a month.
Perhaps buying a server and hosting it there would've been cheaper in the long run for the hardware alone, but that's excluding initial setup, licences, updates and maintenance.
Good case for the cloud.
Things are different when you already have software and hardware.
Not everything is "cloud ready" and just replacing a server with a VM is expensive.
Re-architecting software is time consuming and expensive.
All in all, you know it's going to be expensive in a lot of cases.
Now multiply that by three because we're really bad at estimating and you'll have an indication of the actual costs.
I don't think that will ever outweigh the benefits.
Perhaps when you're thinking of a complete or partial rewrite because you have to anyway (for example, to decouple a part of an application as (micro)service), cloud makes a lot more sense.
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Cloud works great for us. We have nearly everything on the cloud. I'm not saying it will work in all instances but in many cases it is much better.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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If I'm not being too nosy - what are your monthly bills like (and what kind of workloads)?
TTFN - Kent
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Kent Sharkey wrote: (and what kind of workloads)? Not vms, but we are a small development shop. We each have a laptop but everything else runs in the cloud, including all production processes and sites. Azure Sql, azure web site with webjobs, azure storage. It's defintely cheaper than having physical servers. I think the big cost people overlook in replacing physical servers with cloud services is the human cost. With physical servers you have to pay someone to keep it updated, to replace hardware, etc. For us, the time savings adds up more than the initial purchase cost.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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It's good to know some people (that don't work on the Azure team) have good experiences with it - thank you!
TTFN - Kent
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Microsoft is heading for a single UI framework for everything from web apps to native desktop and mobile apps. Pants available separately
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I thought they already tried it with windows 8 and that it was a fvcking fiasco... we say that we are the most intelligent being in the world, but a donkey doesn't strumble twice with the same stone.
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This should be given careful consideration by every developer, because of how much microsoft's standards have soared, over the last 13 years.
Oops! Typo, sorry.
I meant "soured".
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Masterful! Stupendous! I laughed, I cried!
TTFN - Kent
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Kent Sharkey wrote: I laughed, I cried! Well, we've all laughed at "Year of the Linux Desktop" jokes, and cried because microsoft's making it happen.
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On the other hand, you have to consider all the technologies MS walked away from leaving developers high and dry: COM/OLE, VB6, XAML, Windows Mobile, UWP, ...
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gstolarov wrote: On the other hand, you have to consider all the technologies MS walked away from leaving developers high and dry: COM/OLE, VB6, XAML, Windows Mobile, UWP, ... They're very good about it, though.
They give everyone long enough to get so far into it that almost everything they do revolves around it, before they kill something off.
At least google kills stuff before you've even heard of it.
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The moon you know and love might not be alone. There’s a possibility a new miniature version is orbiting Earth now as well. That's no... oh, wait. Yes, it is. (for a while)
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The astronauts being sent up have been told to trust The Force
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His code, ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B, A, Start, has lived on for over three decades and continues to be a comical Easter egg in many games today. I shall wrap my controller in black ribbon while I mash buttons
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Kent Sharkey wrote: His code, ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B, A, Start Double bubble permanent buff?
R.I.P.
M.D.V.
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I hear he had quite an eventful life.
Please tell me that I don't have to actually type the punchline to that.
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Just don't try it on your CodeProject profile page.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Richard Deeming wrote: Just don't try it on your CodeProject profile page. Must... Resist...
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I have a SQUILLION CP points! Gonna trade them in for cash and retire! W00t!
TTFN - Kent
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Kent Sharkey wrote: I have a SQUILLION CP points! Gonna trade them in for cash and retire! W00t! mmm... not buying that.
OG is still here, if there were prizes, he would have already retired
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Intel's security plans sound a lot like "we're going to catch up to AMD." The bad news: it's only Caesar Cipher
Or maybe it just converts everything into Pig Latin for storage?
I wonder how long it will take before someone finds a hole in this one?
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Kent Sharkey wrote: I wonder how long it will take before someone finds a hole in this one? I fear that it will be not that long.
Real good and secure code needs time, time is money, and todays companies (or better said the people running them) don't want to invest 1 coin (no matter which currency) more than what is absolutely needed, so they can fill their pockets even more (although some of them already have more money than some countries).
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You've just described the state of play in the US.
It's not quite as bad in Europe, and it's completely different in India and China.
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