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fair enough, I'll see if I can find my reference.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Mircea Neacsu wrote: First, let me repeat a mantra I’ve heard many years ago: “there is no frigging cloud; it’s someone’s else computer”.
That quote is completely wrong. The "Cloud" is not someone else's computer -- it's a LOT of someone else's computers, connected together in a patchwork of obviously fragile connections. It's not "a" computer, it's an entire ecosystem that is a lot more than just computers.
Mircea Neacsu wrote: Second, from the superficial reading of news (I’m traveling now), the recent outage was not an issue with the “cloud” but with an antivirus update that went south. It affected equally physical and virtual machines, so let’s not get all worked up about the big bad “cloud”.
It doesn't matter what caused the outage, only that it happened, and that is was stupidly easy to prevent, e.g., follow good process and actually test things before putting into production.
The fact that the source of the outage was a bad patch in a secondary system means we SHOULD be upset, as it demonstrates just how fragile the "Cloud" is.
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BryanFazekas wrote: The "Cloud" is not someone else's computer -- it's a LOT of someone else's computers,
Please allow me to argue that you are interacting with one single computer. It might be connected to many other computers but you are receiving data only from ONE computer at a time.
BryanFazekas wrote: It doesn't matter what caused the outage
Again I have to disagree: it does matter. In this case it was a bad antivirus upgrade that caused computers, physical or virtual to crash. The fact that most of those computers were in "the cloud" is completely irrelevant. On your physical computer, do you update/upgrade your antivirus? My answer would be "yes". Do you expect computer to crash after such an upgrade? My answer would be "no".
BryanFazekas wrote: it demonstrates just how fragile the "Cloud" is.
Let me reiterate that this is not a "cloud" issue. A physical computer running CloudStrike software in a room with blue painted walls would have crashed the same way. Would you blame the colour of the walls? If your answer is "no", why would you blame the fact that the computers that crashed were placed in "the cloud".
Mircea
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Nope.
I have my own darn "cloud" in the form of a 2008 r2 server in the garage with gobs of imaged storage. And I barely trust that!
I'm grateful that I can do this for my household in this OneDrive  and whatever that Apple one is world. Two things that poke the Ron bear, backup and the cloud. Now they are synonymous which is a travesty.
Normals at happy hour.... "We're on the cloud are yoooo?. Oh and it's got AI! Dilly Dilly!" 
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I'm not sure how the outage/mess is related to the cloud other than the product name rhymes with cloud. 
That said, I also use 'someone else's servers' in my backup strategy...encrypted of course.
I still occasionally get tricked into saving Office files in OneDrive. 
Passing thought regarding the outage...last week there was a discussion about the awesomeness of PowerShell and managing enterprise systems. So why can't they write a script to rollback the update and reboot, then deploy it? 
Last thought...I'd hate to be on the QA team(s) that approved that update.
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It has nothing to do w the cloud.
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Of course not. It's just someone else's server.
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No.
Once you put your data in the cloud, it's no longer yours. All the things you could have done with that data you now have to ask permission and justify your reasons.
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Never have. Never will. Why would I trust a technology that's a throw-back from the main frame time-sharing era? Why would I trust a technology that by the very act of copying data elsewhere nullifies your real ownership of said data? Centralized computing has no plan B other than when disaster happens, just pick up the pieces and make the best of it. Centralized computing is not scalable. I often ask myself why no one else is working on a truly distributed solution. Crickets. I simply don't get it.
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depends what you mean by Cloud
another persons server, cause that all it is.
or Cloud Storage specifically. Yeah no, that is way you have 3 points of backup for important data
the Data, local backup, redundant backup, and offsite backup
the "cloud storage" is just one of those points.
if talking about the internet as a whole, and what your data being used for. Don't go do stupid things you would be in trouble for WHEN not if it gets misused. Say like have a chat with your buddies on beating up someone.
As relating to cloudstrike issue, big distruption (yes critical for some with medical issues), but compared to the wannacry issue, far less data loss.
Why have DVDs, because it might not be on [streaming service] forever, and the internet might go out and you want something to watch. Or, the internet is out and get on with doing something different.
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I am sure that I am not the only one that lost a backup in the cloud for being naïve enough to trust someone else's service.
I know I should not have only one backup, I learned that the hard way.
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I never have, and I never will. Despite the claims of Cloud fanbois, nothing is perfectly secure, and nothing ever will be, including private networks. But the latter are certainly more secure and defensible than any public platform.
Will Rogers never met me.
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For data storage? No way.
For compute resources? Possibly. However I know of several occasions where groups blew through their budget with huge compute bills from using the cloud. Nobody monitoring the usage and BAM, $30K a month down the drain. Another blew through over $100K before realizing it. Could have had some nice hardware for that.
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Cp-Coder wrote: I will never get in a position where cloud failures can harm me.
Just as long as fire, floods, earthquakes, landslides, sink holes, lightning, theft, random acts of mayhem, out of control cars, in control cars (by someone with a grudge), dementia, technology failures, etc don't impact you then you should be good.
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Because Lucas makes refrigerators, too.
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Admittedly the joke is sort of geared for Brits themselves to read. 
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"No electronics please, we're British" 
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The vacuum cleaner part is something I've heard adapted to Microsoft a few decades back...
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Why do Americans drink their beer cold? One explanation I've heard, but can't confirm, is that after prohibition, brewers rushed to get product on the market, and the beer didn't taste very good. If you chill something, you dull the flavor, so people started consuming the beer cold to make it palatable. Things have improved since then, particularly in the craft/micro brew sector. But the Macro Brewers still produce a barely palatable product, IMHO.
"A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants"
Chuckles the clown
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Sure, but bad flavor and no flavor are different issues.
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100% agree with you - I don't find any of the major American beers worth drinking any more.
Red and brown ales, Guinness, bourbon barrel aged products. No IPA's -- can't take the hop bombs.
Best wishes from rainy Minnesota!
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Reminds me of the Monty Python Live at the Hollywood Bowl[^] joke about American beer being like making love in a canoe. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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