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You replied to the wrong message in this thread.
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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This was your post:
I don't know what dumbass made this decision, but I'd $itch slap him or her into next week and give them a wedgy. So, Microsoft rolls out OS and application updates constantly, and sometime in the past (and I know it's been a while) they decided to change the default save locations to OneDrive. They clearly did not think this through, or maybe they did and it's anal retentive.
What software company changes user defaults? Let me re-phrase, what competent software company does this?
I get MS wants us to use the cloud so that everything is backed up, but I now have documentation in assorted locations, and I need to figure out the most current. It does not help I'm picking this up after 2 months of downtime. This is up there with the automatic reboots. I swear, I'll punch these people if I ever meet them.
My answer addressed the fact that it does not change the default location and that I have several machines that have their own default location.
You have to set them first before they become your custom default locations.
That sounds to me like dead on what you said.
Other people also addressed the same and corrected you.
I wish you luck with your understanding of how software works.
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Have another look. The post you were trying to reply to was from @charlieg, not me. He will probably be unamused at your message.
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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whoops, my bad.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Android is doing something similar. Making it harder and harder to save files locally.
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charlieg wrote: I don't know what dumbass made this decision, but I'd $itch slap him or her into next week and give them a wedgy.
Ha ha ha. Tell us how you really feel Charlie. 
Jeremy Falcon
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charlieg wrote: I don't know what dumbass made this decision
charlieg wrote: what competent software company does this?
It's not dumbness or incompetence, it's the fact that they want possession of your documents, so that they can scan them with their AI and build a profile of you. Check out the latest Terms of Service from MS, and you'll see that it grants them a license to use your documents however they want to.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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sigh, I sort of knew this, but I really wanted to stay in la la land.
I would support federal legislation outlawing these sorts of agreements. I recently learned that many new car dealers are installing trackers on vehicles, even if you pay cash. Ford has a patent on reporting driving habits to the government.
I miss my 2002 Maxima and my 1996 4-Runner.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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If a car maker wants to collect data to monitor MY vehicle's behavior, I'm okay with that - just be upfront. If they collect data and then sell it to the highest bidder, it's a completely different story. Don't hide behind 50 pages of disclosure agreement a customer has to agree to in order to use your cars app. Etc.
Governments are completely out of control, esp. mine. Rather than be legal and do government things like for the general good, they've figured out how to hide behind beauacracy and simple incompetence. And then there is just government evil. 10+ years ago, along came ancestry.com. You could send them a saliva sample, and they would allegedly tell you your ancestry. And they promised it was all private. Then they sold ALL of the DNA info to the FBI.
Meanwhile, don't change my default folder microsoft. dicks.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Just went through this on a new car buy from a Toyota dealer.
The dealer had a charge on the invoice for a "security" system. Found out it was being installed when delivered at port due to vehicle thefts and their insurance requires it.
They most certainly are NOT tracking you.
We just told them to NOT install it as the one they use is a horrible system (i.e. cheap).
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My new Ford Maverick collects driving habit and information to be used to "help" them in the maintenance of the truck. After the news about GM sending that info to insurance companies I was worried they would do the same. They do, but in the menus of the truck you can disable that information from being shared with insurance (not the default) and supposedly other parties. I wanted the truck, so I will have to trust that are honoring my settings not to share. Do I trust them? Not really.
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The default save location is "Documents". If you use OneDrive's "backup" feature this means Documents will be on OneDrive. Go into Word's Options and check the box "Save on local computer". It's in the Save area of options. You'll probably also have to do this with Excel and PowerPoint as well.
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This is not true, or maybe I have a different version. The default location USED to be documents, but Microsoft now pushes you to the cloud. You have to watch for it.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Syntax error: Missing </rant>
…or have you not calmed down yet?
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I had it in there  but CP ate it. I've calmed down a bit, it is a rant after all.
The last 20 years, I developed embedded systems. You NEVER changed a user defaults. I think I made a coding error or slight change and ran into this. Got taken to the wood shed, but more importantly, there is a huge support train that is impacted. unless you're microsoft, then you just don't give a $hit.
I'm working on a spreadsheet now in LibreOffice. Why I pay for Office in the past, I cannot explain other than "it's a standard." Yuck. 
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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I'll hold them while you're doing it.... as long as I get to kick them in the nu*s when you've knocked them down....
Who the f*** is General Failure, and why is he reading my harddisk?
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This kind of behaviour is why outside work I haven't touched MS software for decades now. If I could find a convenient way to avoid Apple & Google I would too, but by the time I twigged what they are up to I was too far in; what they don't know about me isn't worth knowing, and adverts go right over my head anyway. 😉
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I would switch to Linux in a heartbeat and Ubuntu installed with Virtual Box on my workstation-laptop.
However, nothing compares to working with Visual Studio. Even JetBrains Rider feels like a half-baked product...
Steve Naidamast
Sr. Software Engineer
Black Falcon Software, Inc.
blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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charlieg wrote: they decided to change the default save locations to OneDrive
...the default of save locations of what, exactly? Browser download location? Notepad's Save As?
My browser came with some default Download location - undoubtedly the OS's Downloads folder. It seems to remember whatever it is I used last time, and always suggest that until you change your download location again. Seems reasonable, I'd do that in my own apps.
I believe the default Save location of Notepad works the same say. Whatever it last saved to, that's what comes up next time.
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I cannot speak for notepad, but in this case, Office changed the default save location. I open a doc in My Documents on my system, and it defaults to saving it in one drive. Having used office for the last 25 years, I never picked up on it until I realized I had two copies.
This has nothing to do with browsers and downloads. I refuse to use Edge, and so far Opera has behaved itself. There was another MS application that started this crap. Oh yeah, Outlook. In another example of scum baggery, Microsoft changed outlook to default to Edge. You know the defaults you set up for your system? Well MS added a specific setting to Outlook that overrode the system wide setting.
Fair admission - this might have been related to Enterprise settings though I don't see how. My past customer allowed us to use Office under their corporate license. Even so, I refused to allow them to add my laptop to the domain, so I'm not sure how enterprise settings would make it to my PC.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: Office changed the default save location. I open a doc in My Documents on my system, and it defaults to saving it in one drive.
Given the online version of Office, and that MS is pushing people hard to use OneDrive, I can't say I would be entirely surprised if that was the default suggested when saving new files written from scratch...but opening an existing file from a local folder, but saving into another (creating a separate copy, as you say)? That's just nasty. And downright evil, given most people have a hard time wrapping their heads around the concept (and they know it).
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Back in the day when you bought a computer it was called a "Personal Computer"
ONLY because the only people who owned computers were corporations.
Being called Personal we believed we owned it and controlled said machine.
Then we connected our PC to the internet and bought software from companies who would
offer FREE updates.
Then they started asking for Personal information for updates.
Next they figured out they did not need to ask just take it when you interacted with them.
None of this is a News Flash to anyone on this forum
I wanted to ask help with a issue with Visual Studio 2019 but it seemed like a programming
question so I will post a question.
My latest issue with MS is the update says it failed and when I close my computer the
updated is installed twice. The other issue is if I step away from the computer for
5 min the update gets down loaded and installed with no authorization from me.
YES I have the setting "Check for updates let me choose to download and install"
Here is a gem that gets sent every time I start my computer of if I walk away for 10 min
it installs 5 of these messages.
Warning: Failed to get value SOFTWARE\Microsoft\VisualStudio\16.11\ExtensionManager/ExtensionsAutoUpdated: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
[13d0:0001][2024-08-19T10:13:50] No update since last run. Skipping current operation.
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OneDrive MANY issues  .
When I discovered that, I googled how to get rid of OneDrive. Now gone for good.
I don't know what hit Microsoft, they just do everything wrong  .
Gilles Plante
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It's not so that everything is backed up - it's so they can access it without you knowing about it.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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