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Sad time, shocking time.
My son was on the phone to a customer in the tower when it suddenly went dead.
They were just a customer (stock broker), but he had developed a business relationship.
He was a bit stunned for several days until he heard they made it out OK.
Not so for many that day.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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incredibly brave unselfish man
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Phil
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thank you for posting that... never forget.
My son-in-law is a fire fighter. My daughter is a paramedic. Their courage humbles me.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Say thanks to them from a stranger in the internet 
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Thank you for posting this.
Never Forget
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Not only is Boeing's Starliner capsule in trouble, but the Boeing built Orion capsule for the SLS system had serious issues on its return from the lunar orbit mission. The heat shield didn't oblate smoothly but came apart in chunks. NASA and Boeing still haven't determined if this was a manufacturing flaw or a design flaw.
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yeah, you never saw that coming, did you?  Roll with me here for the entertainment, and any lounge comments must involve gutters and insults against British food.
I know a lot of us CP'rs are Brits or Europeans. Ohh, I'm sure I just offended somebody. Scottish want to chime in  I'm in the SE USA (Atlanta). Give me 30 minutes and I'll cook you a meal.
Anyway, I know why you Brit's are so ... Brits. I heard this story about Yorkshire pudding. Gross. Do you know why the French still exist? To teach Brits how to cook, oh crap, this is going to go so sideways. Anyway, the Brits have the best vet ever, but back to gutters.
In England it rains. A lot. The universal prosthetic is an umbrella. In the US, it rains in Seattle, but I don't care. Left coast and all that, they deserve it. What do you guys use for gutters? Do you go up on your roofs to clean them? Do you have gutter covers? Etc. I'm ignorantly curious.
Here, we have companies selling "gutter protection." I can take their quotes, divide it by semiannual cleaning fees and I've been dead for 20 years before I get my money back.
EDIT EDIT EDIT
I did not mean this to go off on a culinary exercise. I am sure somewhere Yorkshire pudding is made proper. I just decided to try it at the restaurant I was at in a "what the hell" moment. I actually expected PUDDING. Live and learn.
This sort of falls under "hey fellas! watch this" moment. The reference was simply a side swipe at you Brits in a friendly way. Now I need to catch up on the remains of the thread where it was really about gutters. You damn programmers - like herding cats
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
modified 5 days ago.
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I'll take whatever you took, please double the dose.
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 I ... was on a different kind of trip, actually, so I'll pass on this time eventually.
Hard times (without pun), I wish you well !
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I had to read this 3 times before I finally got it. lmao.  well played sir.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: British "food"
FTFY 
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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Comment if you would like too...
I live north of Atlanta (60 miles or so). The current "rage" for local governments is to use tax payer dollars to encourage some sort of nonsense village environment. So, an itty bitty park is built, investors build buildings, activities occur, lots of kum bi ya.. then reality hits in.. and the businesses who invested aren't getting any traffic for their over priced product.
Case in point, allegedly we had a British couple open up a fish and chips restaurant. The fish was actually quite good, but your "chips" are our french fries so even match. Even so, I took my wife to lunch to try the place. For 2 orders of fish and chips came to 34+ pounds. That's $45 for us Mericans. For a fish sandwich and greasy potatoes. The restauarant opened as a novelty in the place they were at and their product. Two weeks ago, they were done.
So, for you Brits - two questions. 1) when you get fish and chips, what's the fish? 2) what do you pay? Fish and chips seem to me to be Britain's version of fast food, but I'm surely wrong.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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I have it on good authority that they don't care a lick about gutters over the pond.
I have watched numerous episodes of Grantchester (detective show where Vicar solves the crimes) the main character lives in a vicarage that has gutters like this (image from duckduckgo) [^]
They just let wild ivy grow in there. 
No need for crawlin' up and cleanin' out.
That's what I see on all the TV shows, so I know it has to be true. Just like everything I read on the Web. 
EDIT
Also, the only thing they eat over there is bangers & mash. I seen it on TV.
EDIT 2
Also, I'm the authority on these things because I'm All-American US-living for realz.
I'm wrapped in a US flag right now and listening to the star spangled banner! <Salute>
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interesting, but that leads to a deviation. Looking at that picture - what's under the house? And just work with my ignorance all of you...
Here in the United States, the greatest country on earth, keeper of the truth, and all things righteous.... I'm poking fun at someone.. This is my home: Google Photos[^]
We have 3 types of basic house construction. Put the house on a slab (solid poured concreate, etc.), crawlspace - just think about it, or a full basement which is really just the bottom floor slab.
The rule we have is that all landscape around the structure MUST slope away. Gutters collect rainwater and direct it away from the structure. Water be bad in a house when not in a pipe.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Image gave 404. 
But, main thing you're right about is:
charlieg wrote: The rule we have is that all landscape around the structure MUST slope away. Gutters collect rainwater and direct it away from the structure. Water be bad in a house when not in a pipe.
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house hosted at ImgBB — ImgBB[^]
try this
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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raddevus wrote: Also, the only thing they eat over there is bangers & mash. I seen it on TV
That's for lunch in the Hotel Swank, as seen in British '70s comic books
They also eat fish & chips, baked beans on toast, kippers, and all manner of offal. 
I seen it with mine own eyes!
/s
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I guess maybe I should have directed this to the NW USA...
Since I live in the SE USA, we have cyclical rain when we can get it. In Atlanta, our rainy season is from Octoberish to February with an occasional panic attack of solid precipitation. In late summer/autumn toss in a hurricane here and there - we actually have one coming in now (in the vicinity).
From late February to May, we have to pay attention for tornadic weather systems.
as I said, my perception from watching TV (never been to GB, definitely on my bucket list), it just seemed to rain there all the time. Hence my question. From the picture posted, it looks like no one cares about gutters
There seems to be a growing movement that if your property allows it - chunk the gutters and use these: Since I live in the SE USA, we have cyclical rain when we can get it. In Atlanta, our rainy season is from Octoberish to February with an occasional panic attack of solid precipitation. In late summer/autumn toss in a hurricane here and there - we actually have one coming in now (in the vicinity).
From late February to May, we have to pay attention for tornadic weather systems.
There seems to be a growing movement that if your property allows it - chunk the gutters and use these: Gutter Alternative: Rainhandler[^]
There is also the idea of covering your gutters, but those "patented systems" are so hideously expensive I'd die before I got my money back.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: I heard this story about Yorkshire pudding.
A creation made in heaven (Yorkshire) - just add onion gravy ...
charlieg wrote: Do you know why the French still exist? To teach Brits how to cook
There is more choice of quality food over here than most countries have heard of.
charlieg wrote: In England it rains. A lot.
Hm, wonder why we have so many water shortages?
I guess your view of Britain is based on how it was 50 or 60 years ago.
Oh, did I mention that most Americans don't know the name of the next state?
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I have already claimed ignorance in my question, but I have had yorkshire pudding, and it's useful for throwing it at dogs. That said, I have focused on French and Asian cooking, so the only ping in British food is it's just a meme - I'll work on it. 
Let's see - states next to me - South Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Tennessee, north Carolina, yep that does it. "I guess your view of Britain is based on how it was 50 or 60 years ago." And you're been watching memes...
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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