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honey the codewitch wrote: At least from a quality standpoint
Dogfooding works! 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
"Hope is contagious"
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Because the Management of those big companies are too busy focusing on "Maximizing Share Holder Value" and have lost sight of the real software business that got them to where they are today.
I believe that there are tens of thousands of frustrated, really talented technical people who feel trapped by the toxic environments that they are forced to work in, in those overly big companies. Projects cut to pieces in the quest for unreasonable deadlines and dispersed among teams that have no contact with each other (except via problem recording/resolution tracking software, where posting too many problems dams the career of the poster).
Take Microsoft's latest disaster. They have pre-sold OEMs on building hardware with specialized "AI" hardware because Microsoft was coming out with killer "AI" software. So with the OEMs (with visions of skyrocketing hardware sales dancing in their heads (hey, it's almost Christmas (lol)). Have gone ahead invested millions in the new "Co-Pilot+ PCs". Only Microsoft doesn't have any killer "AI" software. In fact, most of the "AI" software is embroiled in massive lawsuits and a lot of public confusion and hate. So they quick, push out, the "Recall" software. An 'idea' that had not been baked too long deep in the bowels of Microsoft. The "Recall" software is ridiculed for lack of security and creepy spying. Microsoft pulls back the software but they have painted themselves into a corner. They have nothing else. Their stock valuation is based on their technical prowess with "AI". They must do something to "Maximize Share Holder Value"! So they round up all the internal technical wizards that they can find and quick patch up the software to make it palatable.
And a half-baked idea is going to be forced out into the public where it will definitely have bugs, definitely have security failings and for the most part is unwanted or at least poorly understood by the very public they expect to buy the hardware to run the software.
So do not discount "Integrity and Self-Respect" or "caring if your code works" and I might add, the vision to know that the software is useful, solves a problem and will be a strong foundation for future applications.
That is what is important (In My Own Humble Opinion).
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Gary Stachelski 2021 wrote: I believe that there are tens of thousands of frustrated, really talented technical people who feel trapped by the toxic environments that they are forced to work in,
History, history, history.
Back in the good ol' days one started as a key puncher. After doing that a couple of years, one got to be a junior programmer. And no that is not like now where a junior programmer might get to work on real problems.
Because after all when a job that an entire team is waiting on it might take an hour just to report obscure syntax errors. So manually checking code becomes something that everyone does. Character by character.
Certainly leads to frustration.
Not to mention of course that touchy feely was not even a thought back then. So violent explosive verbal tirades were considered, if not normal, then certainly a likelihood when mistakes were made.
Then look to the environment that Steve Jobs produced between Apple and Macintosh development.
Gary Stachelski 2021 wrote: Take Microsoft's latest disaster.
Versus what? OLE? I never figured out what happened to that. What was the attempt before that?
Or the original Microsoft library that was 'supposed' to be Object Oriented which wrapped the Microsoft C API and definitely was not OO.
Of course there was IBM's fubar on the original contract with Microsoft over DOS.
There was the DEC Alpha. Fast windows (then.) At only about $500,000 a machine.
Steve Jobs the wunderkind but not so much with Next.
Can't remember the name but they needed to replace the airline reservation system in the 90s or so. The failure to deliver and vast cost overruns which spawned multiple lawsuits.
Gary Stachelski 2021 wrote: and I might add, the vision to know that the software is useful, solves a problem and will be a strong foundation for future applications.
People that can predict the future should probably focus on that. Maybe do some stock investing.
Otherwise don't design and certainly do not implement code based on wild guesses as to what the future might bring. Rathe deliver something based on what is known.
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Because this who we are...
"It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox
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honey the codewitch wrote: If big companies like MS are pushing user expectations downward in terms of software quality, it makes me wonder.
Versus who?
Versus when?
honey the codewitch wrote: why do I care if my code works, if Microsoft doesn't?
One reason for that is that companies like that exist to make money. Not code. And in the modern era that is even stressed more as there are more measurable factors that one can see to know if a company is making money. Not to mention growth, return on investment, etc.
Just because a developer wants to eliminate a single error that occurs in one million successful transactions it doesn't mean it is cost effective (money) to allow them to spend 2 weeks or 6 months to do so.
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jschell wrote: Versus who?
How about... Microsoft?
jschell wrote: Versus when?
Microsoft's mail client dies inside about every other time my computer suspends itself. Their windows task bar gets confused and starts stacking task icons almost completely on top of each other, etc.
Perhaps compared to when windows and outlook didn't do those things? Just for example.
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honey the codewitch wrote: Their windows task bar gets confused and starts stacking task icons almost completely on top of each other, etc
Yep, mine does that.
Gave up trying to fix it and just try to avoid needing to click on the taskbar... 
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Sadly, almost treated with contempt, a salve for the software. (14)
An easy one to get people back into the swing.
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Nothin easy about this Pete 
Edit
just spotted it (I think)
Almost treated with contempt = dissed
app could be software I suppose
ointment for salve
disappointment
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
modified 17hrs ago.
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What happens next Pete - are you on for three or is it the old rules
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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I thought we were doing a different setter per-day (not WSO). If not, I'm happy to be up again tomorrow.
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Is there a list anywhere ?
Edit - found these names in one of your posts ( I added the days )
Pete O Hanlon - Mondays
Peter_in_2780 - Tuesdays
pkfox - Wednesday
OriginalGriff - Thursday
A N Other - Friday
We could do with one more setter, the setters can liaise with the others if they can't do a certain day
I know Peter_in_2780 can't do Thursdays because of commitments
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
modified 14hrs ago.
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So, let's see what tomorrow brings.
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I can do Thursdays, but you probably need to let people know what day you have assigned via the at-codes - I had no idea I was up for then.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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Good afternoon, @Peter-in-2780, we're trialling the CCC OTD this week and your name is now down for a Tuesday. Are you going to be able to post tomorrow or do you need more time?
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It's now Tuesday morning here, and I'll put one up in a few hours.
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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Nothing written in stone Paul I just put it out there to try and elicit a response from us setters - good on POH for kicking it off today
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Yes he did write anthems
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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RIP Kris.
I remember a dilemma about Me and Bobby McGee that is still chasing me. If freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose, and somewhere in the lyrics he says he would trade all of his tomorrows for a single yesterday...was he not free and more happy yesterday, or was he free but still lost something?
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R.I.P. ![Rose | [Rose]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
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If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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