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A small remark slighly on the side:
I never before heard dotNet IL (Intermediate Language) referred to as "P-code".
The term "P-code" was made famous by the Pascal compiler of 1970 (or thereabouts), generating code for execution on a virtual machine. Writing an interpreter (i.e. the virtual machine) for the Pascal P-code was quite simple; there were interpreters for dozens of machine architectures. The version that became prominent was called P4; it was the 4th version of P-code for the original Pascal compiler.
I even believe that some people replaced the microcode of the LSI-11, the single chip version of the PDP-11 architecture, with alternative microcode to interpret P4 directly without the need for an interpreter - but if my memory is correct, this solution was slower than the interpreter running on the LSI-11 with the original microcode and an interpreter on top 
P-code, or "bytecode" in general, is designed to be treated as the instruction set of a virtual machine, executed "as is".
dotNet IL is certainly not meant for execution as is on a virtual machine. I will not say that it is impossible, but it most certainly is pointless and extremely inefficient. IL is not a P-code or bytecode, but "source code" for the jitter - the Just In Time code generator, translating IL into native machine code for whatever CPU the jitter is run on, immediately before execution.
This probably is not at all significant to the OP. Maybe he will later get in touch with dotNet IL. When/if that happens, he should not believe that IL is interpreted the way P-code is.
End remark:
P-code/bytecode interpretation is certainly slower than native code, in some circumstances a lot slower. With C# - and all other dotNet languages - having the jitter generating native code, it had a speed advantage over Java, which used to interpret Java bytecode. You could compile Java to native code from the beginning, or at least very early, but then you got a binary that couldn't execute on any other architecture, and couldn't utilize e.g. optional instructions available on a specific machine. Java byte code could be moved freely around to any machine with an interpreter.
To be able to compete with C# on speed, the JVM (Java Virtual Machine) was extended with the capability of rather than executing the byte code as is, it started out by processing the byte code further, into native code for the current machine. This improved the execution speed significantly. However, Java bytecode wasn't designed for this use, and a lot of useful information for generating efficient machine code has been thrown away (as the machine code already has been generated, although for the virtual machine!) So in the general case, the dotNet jitter is in a much better position to generate optimal code, with much more information available.
After Java began processing its bytecode into native code before starting execution, lots of other bytecode based systems have followed, processing their bytecode to native code before execution.
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That's not how I see it.
As a poor analogy, I might say that the language is the fuel for running a vehicle (a UI framework).
Learning to operate the vehicle is the important part.
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You are correct the C# component of .net is a minor part of the ecosystem and not something I would concentrate on YET.
Assuming there is a database component you will need to understand that. EntityFramework is one option (and a large one) or normal connections.
You need to decide on a UI, winforms, WPF or web. Choose the web and you open an entire bucket of worms and other nasties. WPF has a steep learning curve and winforms is somewhat dated.
You can then use your exploring these components to get your head around C# - the bits you need.
Now that is going to keep you entertained for some time. Although your experience will shorten the learning curve dramatically.
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: winforms, WPF
Or WinUI; or MAUI; or Avalonia, if you're open to third-party stuff.
Mycroft Holmes wrote: web
Which has even more choices to make: MVC, Razor Pages, Blazor (Server), Blazor (Web Assembly), Blazor (Hybrid), ...
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- Homer
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To answer your question, C# is just a language. .NET provides the runtimes (the CLR) as well as a target execution environment (the CLI). A C# compiler produces code that relies on the CLR the way that C program might rely on the C standard runtimes. However, like C, C# actually doesn't need the runtimes. I was mistaken about this myself at one point. I didn't know how it would collect garbage without them. Turns out C# doesn't indicate garbage collection, or really any memory management. That's on the runtimes. In that way, it's not really different than C (malloc), but a bit different than C++ (new/delete). I don't know how C# bakes out "new" in the standard specifically - i haven't looked, but I don't think it says it must be implicitly collected.
C# does not need to target the CLI either, and I believe there are toolchains out there that compile C#, sans garbage collection and the CLR/CLI, to a native machine target.
So C#, truly is just a language. But you'll almost never see it in the wild without .NET backing it up.
As far as learning curve, C# is simple, but the CLR had when I checked back in the .NET 1.0 days, 6500+ base classes in it.
So there's your learning curve.
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thank you for confirming my fear/understanding/anticipation.
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You know where I think you'll start to really get hammered?
The user interface.
After Winforms it seems like Microsoft lost their way. They did away with RAD design and the ability to roundtrip between designer and code. WPF just isn't as friendly to drag and dropping UIs together and then refining in code the way Winforms was.
Worse, now there are so many platforms and offerings, what do you even use? MAUI? AvaloniaUI? raw WPF?
Personally I'm kind of partial to the idea of Electron. I think? Microsoft uses it to power VS Code, and if so, it's really impressive, but it's not .NET. I'm sure it can talk to .NET though.
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C# is just another language - albeit a good one - a competent developer can probably pick up most if not all of it in a day without much stress - the only complications are OOPs and references as compared to pointers or memory addresses. But once you have cracked that and if you are even slightly familiar with Windows development it'll be relatively easy to get started.
If you are only familiar with a procedural approach rather than message driven then it's going to take rather longer!
But ... C# on it's own won't help if you want to write a UI as it's all about the controls you can drop on the dialog (or Form as it's known) - there is a very wide set of those which have properties, events, and methods that you need to be aware of in order to use.
I'd suggest that a book (all the major players do good ones) that starts from scratch with C# and windows / .NET development would be worth the investment - it'll teach you C# and .NET at the same time, plus it'll cover most of the "bits and pieces" that you will probably want to use later on. Diving into VS and trying to work it out on your own is a recipe for disaster (but still better than YouTube tutorials) 
Good luck!
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everybody?
I hope that the users aren't now abandoning this place. 
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Yah, no one good or smart comes here any more. <==== (edit: This is a joke!)
I'm still here most days. 
Here's my TLDR;
My wife was downloading photos from iCloud (iphone) so she could print them.
Discovered that 9/10 photos she downloaded were downloaded as zip files.
Apparently a lot of her photos were on "live photo" which includes a "video" portion.
So, when you take that photo and download from iCloud you get a zip which contains the .MOV and the JPEG.
We just want the JPEG so she can print some pix.
I wrote a .NET Core console app that:
1) allows user to point at directory where all those zips (100 or more) are and will pull out every JPEG and save them all into <target> folder provided by user
2) Run another command on the app and it'll tell you if any of the images are duplicates.
I'm really excited by this little utility because it is really cool and has a lot of uses.
You can use it to tell you if you have any duplicate files. It runs SHA256 hash on every file and then tells you if any two files are dups. 
The CP Problem
See how excited I am to talk about this?
This would normally become a CP article. But  should I do now?
Bummer 
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Sounds like a nifty utility! Does it also remove the duplicates?
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote: Does it also remove the duplicates?
Not yet, but I am going to add a switch the user can provide to do that too.
Oh, you can see the (very quickly written code) at my github: GitHub - raddevus/iPhotoGrabr: Unzips photos from iCloud downloads (.NET Core 8)[^]
Hope you can use it too.
I also build the EXE as a standalone for win10 (though I'm dev on Linux) to make it easier to use on my wife's win11 machine.
Take a look at the buildForWin10.sh (shell script) You can use the command in that file to build on Win10/11 too.
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Two more things (cuz I'm so excited!).
1) I used an honest-to-goodness C# Tuple in that code and I think it actually makes sense in this case.*
2) I'm also planning on writing a GUI** for this code later so user can traverse through folders for choosing source & target folders.
* I've never had a terribly good reason to use a tuple before but I've seen a lot of examples that seemed to be using them for tuple-sake.
** I will use Photino[^] to build the GUI when I do this. It'll be a great use of Photino, I think.
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raddevus wrote: I used an honest-to-goodness C# Tuple
I've used a few recently as well. But this weekend I discovered that VS won't allow you to change the field names.
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I presume you've met fdupes. An oldie but a goodie.
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still here but a lot of the originals are getting older and retiring. I don't see a lot of new blood coming in. Circle of life stuff.
It's actually a shame - but the core base of users here were actually quite experienced when Chris launched the site. I'd be interested in seeing the statistics. Now, what needs to happen is that new blood needs to be pulled in. And by new blood I mean this mid-tier coder grunts. I see a few from time to time. I do not mean the "will you help me do my homework types." Those just scare me. And now with AI rolling out built into tools, all I see is consulting money.
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“Microsoft is the virus..."
"the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money"
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Recovering from a spamphoon.
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Was wondering that myself.
Hope it doesn't just fade away.
It's too good a site to not be picked up by someone/group and bring it back to life.
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Sex appeal with the crowd, former royal has termite problems while travelling. (10)
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Well done Pete -I was thinking of deputising for you today 
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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I pulled one from the back catalogue. There's every chance that you've seen this one before.
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All I've got is itinerants
sex appeal = it
with the crowd = in
ex Royal = er
termites = ants
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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That was quick. Congratulations.
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I think it should be itinerant for travelling or itinerants for travellers - just sayin
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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This is a Winforms app. With clicking a checkbox, user enables a feature in the Settings form. Somewhere else in a form a tab named "Alarms":
Option 1: which was visible but disabled, gets enabled.
Option 2: which was hidden, added to the TabControl again.
In terms of UI design decision, which method you prefer?
Personally, I like option 1.
What, you, the community think is a better option?
Behzad
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