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Yes! i'm very pleased to see the results of this pool. Now i believe that internationally majority of the programmers and developers beleive on there SKILLS NOT on the foolish certifications...just like me
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Hye,
As I know and in an environment I am, I think it doesn't matter whether you have the certification or not... Its your talent that makes you heal.. and survive in the industry...
Jigar Mehta
(jigarmehta@gatescorp.com)
Software Developer
Gates Information Systems
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Considering how frequently things change in our industry, I'd say you are probably right.
An expert is somebody who learns more and more about less and less, until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.
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If you have talent how difficult would it be for you to get certified? If its so simple why not do it?
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That's absolutely true, but how do you demonstrate your talent or determine the skill level of another individual? Certifications exist, in theory, to allow skill level to be quickly and reliably communicated.
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i agree with him. I am not even CS major and i am lead developer on a product.
AMR
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You're right; Just to inform you: I'm MCSD.NET and MCSE 2003 but in the company I'm absolutly nothing else someone who brings microsofts points to the company to be microsoft certified partner.
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I am disinclined to point this out, being an avid microsoft hater helps all the more... but Microsoft currently run these two courses for learning their security - I think they are utter s*** but they go well in my list of certifications - I won't tell you where the courses are - (I'm not THAT nice) but if you find them, they are fairly easy to pass - and they are FREE!
"Check em out - them is steel"
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Only around 50 people with MCAD.net. Wow. Verrrry low numbers.
Some people say that the certification is useless. I say that the certification is usefull to some degree. First, the certification teaches you to visualize a solution to a problem. Some of you might understand what I mean by that. Second, by memorizing tons of information you will be able to make decisions more quickly and possible avoid large mistakes. For example, implementation of a service: should i pick xml web service, remoting, or a serviced component. If you needed object pooling and you started with remoting then you might end up with a bit of trouble. That type of stuff.
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AK wrote:
First, the certification teaches you to visualize a solution to a problem. Some of you might understand what I mean by that.
I understand what you mean, but I disagree that you need a Microsoft certification to learn that, or, in other words, certification is not the only thing that can teach you to visualize a solution to a problem.
AK wrote:
Second, by memorizing tons of information you will be able to make decisions more quickly and possible avoid large mistakes.
You will be able to make desicions even more quickly if you had some practice in that field instead of memorizing it, and sometimes too many information (or tons like you said) can even have the opposite effect. And, not to mention that memorizing something is more likely to be forgotten than actually doing the same thing in practice.
_____________________________
Be yourself - everyone else
is already taken..
fera
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Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that simple training is a substitution for experience. Actually I believe that there is no purpose in doing training that is based solely on memorizing. I believe that experience is a very crucial element.
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Have you seen people who have certifications (MS, Java, IBM...) but NEVER write a simple applicaiton?
Enron did hire lot of "certificated" people years ago.
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I agree. Its not very difficult to get certified. If you didn't study and went to take the test its possible to pass it with some luck.
IMHO, companies that look just for a certificate without looking deeper are not too smart.
Just out of interst - any of you that own a company - how do you hire?
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here is a reasonable approach:
http://joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000073.html
also Peter Norvig in http://www.norvig.com/21-days.html says:
"One of the best programmers I ever hired had only a High School degree"
so... smart people somehow manage to hire smart people and don't give a s*** about certification
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Oh, wait! This is not a certificate. Well, I have it in my resume just as well.
My programming blahblahblah blog. If you ever find anything useful here, please let me know to remove it.
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Merged From Current? (FreeBSD lingo )
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...Coca Cola, sometimes war...
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Hye,
Is MFC a certification??? what is the full form?? I doubt..
Jigar Mehta
(jigarmehta@gatescorp.com)
Software Developer
Gates Information Systems
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Merged From Current
Or: Microsoft Frozen Cake?
My programming blahblahblah blog. If you ever find anything useful here, please let me know to remove it.
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Wow, so you've taken the Microsoft Foundation Classes?
An expert is somebody who learns more and more about less and less, until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.
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there's Certificate Called MSF not MCF and it's stand for Microsoft Solution FrameWork
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You know what we call MCSE's around here don't you?
Microsoft Chicken Sh*t Engineer.
I'm sure there are people with MCSE's who know what they are doing... but I've never met one.
Michael
CP Blog [^]
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LOL!.
MCSE 2 a penny, it seems if you *know* a company which supplies the exams you can get a MCSE without taking the exams . I hope with computer industy doesn't rely on the person holding the MSCE as a reliable candidate for any job.
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... it would be easy to get a certificate
but quite impossible for a student
Don't try it, just do it!
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