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Roger Wright wrote:
don't care if an article rates a 0.1, if it solves my problem, the author is my hero of the week.
Ok. You want an article on creating toolbars. You see two articles. One of them is rated 4.8 and the other 2.2.
answer me honestly now.
Which one would you look at?
Nish
I am the Keyboard Smasher
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote:
Which one would you look at?
Both, especially if they seemed to do what I need to get done. The 4.8 might get my first glance, but I would check all the possibilities for the closest match to my situation. An article might rate a 2.2 for any number of reasons, only one of them being the quality of the code itself. It's the code that counts!
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I agree completely. Seldom does a single article completely meet my needs; usually i end up using code from several related articles. The final decision on what code to go with is based on: 1) how understandable the code is, and 2) how close it comes to doing what i need. I imagine there are very few projects out there where a control/method/library is used "as-is"; if the project has any importance at all, the author(s) will want to have as many options and as much information as possible.
Other than a ego booster/crusher in regard to my own articles, i generally ignore ratings entirely.
And if words were wisdom, I'd be talking even more. The Offspring, I Choose
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I think that a better implementation would be:
Create some kinda timer with Javascript that counts the time that the user is reading the article. If the timer elapses 3, maybe 4 minutes the user will be able to vote.
That would give some more guarante that the user readed the article before voting.
Mauricio Ritter - Brazil
Sonorking now: 100.13560 Trank
My latest article:
Pentominos - A C# implementation of the famous Puzzle Game
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That works so long as you don't do what I do... Right Click, Open in New Window then continue looking for other goodies while the page loads, often leaving the page open for several minutes before I get to it 
James
Sonork ID: 100.11138 - Hasaki
"Smile your little smile, take some tea with me awhile.
And every day we'll turn another page.
Behind our glass we'll sit and look at our ever-open book,
One brown mouse sitting in a cage."
"One Brown Mouse" from Heavy Horses, Jethro Tull 1978
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ah, forgot about the focus/blur events (why did they have to use blur? Everytime I see it I think some kid came up with the event name  )
James
Sonork ID: 100.11138 - Hasaki
"Smile your little smile, take some tea with me awhile.
And every day we'll turn another page.
Behind our glass we'll sit and look at our ever-open book,
One brown mouse sitting in a cage."
"One Brown Mouse" from Heavy Horses, Jethro Tull 1978
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How about weighting the votes according to the reputation of the voter when computing the average scores. In other words gold members' votes would be worth 2 votes, silver would be worth one, bronze worth half, etc. You could reward legitimate voters (real comments) with more weight, and punish bogus voters ("sdflkjhlkwejh" comments) with less weight. This system would ensure that more of the reputed voters' scores showed up in the average score for an article, and less of the bogus votes.
Why not throw away a dime?
I throw away ten pennies all the time.
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Thats an interesting idea, a little like the SlashDot moderation/meta moderation system. I think a combination of your suggestion and some of Chris's above might work. I think it gives us all some food for thought.
Michael
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I still think a panel is better.
A panel of 10 can be selected.
Maybe separate panels for each section.
Nish
I am the Keyboard Smasher
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A panel would require going through every article posted and rating it. These ten people probably don't have that much time. If that's what you meant.
Why not throw away a dime?
I throw away ten pennies all the time.
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Voting makes sense only if it is anonimous. Otherwise it would be "I voted for you, you vote for me".
I vote pro drink ![Beer | [beer]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/beer.gif)
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Currently though its a "I say something you don't like in the lounge so you vote 20 1's"
Getting rid of the anonymous ratings should eliminate that.
James
Sonork ID: 100.11138 - Hasaki
"Smile your little smile, take some tea with me awhile.
And every day we'll turn another page.
Behind our glass we'll sit and look at our ever-open book,
One brown mouse sitting in a cage."
"One Brown Mouse" from Heavy Horses, Jethro Tull 1978
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James T. Johnson wrote:
Getting rid of the anonymous ratings should eliminate that.
 I didnt know anonymous voting is allowed.
This sucks!!!
Just about any idot can click on 1 and then on [vote]
No wonder!!!!!
Nish 
I am the Keyboard Smasher
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Anonymous voting hasn't been allowed for several months.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Anonymous voting hasn't been allowed for several months
Whew. It is a huge relief to hear that...
Nish
I am the Keyboard Smasher
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I see Chris replied already, but when I said anonymous I was meaning anonymous in that you don't know who voted what.
James
Sonork ID: 100.11138 - Hasaki
"I left there in the morning
with their God tucked underneath my arm
their half-assed smiles and the book of rules.
So I asked this God a question
and by way of firm reply,
He said - I'm not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays."
"Wind Up" from Aqualung, Jethro Tull 1971
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fair point. but do you have an idea that would discourage the problem of people giving low votes for no (apparent) reason?
-c
Smaller Animals Software, Inc.
You're the icing - on the cake - on the table - at my wake. Modest Mouse
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Maybe enable only silver members (and up) to vote, but still anonimously.
I vote pro drink
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How many silver members or above are on codeproject.
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kilowatt wrote:
How many silver members or above are on codeproject.
1000s I guess
Nish
I am the Keyboard Smasher
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how about this:
- Only members can rate
- Members wishing to rate an article must travel to Australia and submit their vote to Chris in person, at which point they will have fingerprints taken and recorded. Any rating less than 4 must be accompanied by a typed page reasons listing why the article deserves such a rating.
- Ratings will then be submitted to the author for approval, at which point they will officially be applied to the article
... or i suppose we could just live with it 
And if words were wisdom, I'd be talking even more. The Offspring, I Choose
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so you're fine with the fact that people can make the ratings numbers meaningless by voting multiple times for the same article and by voting for their own articles (multiple times)? and any attempt to add some validity to them is pointless because it's easier to "live with it" ?
-c
Smaller Animals Software, Inc.
Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.
Mark Twain
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Chris Losinger wrote:
so you're fine with the fact that people can make the ratings numbers meaningless by voting multiple times for the same article and by voting for their own articles (multiple times)?
Not really. But fraud is a problem in any voting system, and short of severly limiting who can vote (the panel suggestion), i doubt anything else will work. Let's face it: the people abusing the system now obviously do not care whether it has validity or not. I think it's obvious that most of them have too much time on their hands already, and so extra restrictions probably wouldn't make too much difference.
Meanwhile, the side-effects of some of these suggestions seem rather ugly: temporary user accounts created for the sole purpose of voting down an article, posts with meaningless comments included just for the sake of having comments, potentially extra overhead in maintaining the site...
I guess my point is, no amount of restrictions will make an a**hole less of an a**hole. It is to be hoped that someone engaging in unfriendly behavior will gain some maturity and stop, get bored and stop, get hit by a truck and stop... But life being what it is, we all suffer because of others.
And if words were wisdom, I'd be talking even more. The Offspring, I Choose
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You forgot to mention the $25 admin fee for voting
cheers,
Chris Maunder
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