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Do you browse the internet with Javascript enabled?   [Edit]

Survey period: 19 Jun 2006 to 25 Jun 2006

OptionVotes% 
Yes, always96177.63
Yes, but only for trusted sites18014.54
No977.84



 
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Mark Focas23-Jun-06 22:45
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Michael Dunn23-Jun-06 14:35
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KaЯl21-Jun-06 21:26
KaЯl21-Jun-06 21:26 
GeneralIt seems Microsoft's shadow is often behind these "innocent" surveys... Pin
Jim Jim20-Jun-06 8:33
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Jeremy Falcon20-Jun-06 13:21
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nsimeonov21-Jun-06 2:30
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Jeremy Falcon21-Jun-06 6:21
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Almighty Bob21-Jun-06 6:23
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John M. Drescher23-Jun-06 21:22
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Formation Technology21-Jun-06 13:18
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Paul Lyons22-Jun-06 10:14
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J. Dunlap23-Jun-06 2:46
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Almighty Bob23-Jun-06 8:11
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David Wulff23-Jun-06 11:19
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Almighty Bob23-Jun-06 13:43
Almighty Bob23-Jun-06 13:43 
1. forms
2. unweildy architecture

I do asp.net for a living. I dont enjoy that aspect of my job, but my employer tries as hard as they can to keep me away from it.

microsoft has tried to put an object oriented, event driven facade on a technology to which it just doesnt stick (--my opinion).

If you look strictly at the way people use the web, it has the most simple of use case. the user sees a link they want to follow and they click. a request is made, processed, and a document is served to the client. its a 3 step process. we've added a ton of processing on both sides of the web page. asp.net adds even more "processing" on both ends where IMO it doesnt need to.

1. forms... the bain of my existance. everything aspx starts off as a form. this is a personal inconsequental complaint. I'm a tabbed browser. I cant open a javascript link up in a new window. now how's fault is that? mine, for wanting to open the link in a new tab? microsoft's for defaulting everything to a form post? mozilla's for not being able to transfer my current setup into another page so I can click and have the browser preform the action in another window? I'm not pointing blame, I'm just saying this bugs me to no end.

2. an unweildy architecture.
when you're designing a technology you have to consider everything before you make decisions. 3 of the factors MS had to have taken into consideration when they planned the system the way they did was:

1. can we get real programmers (jab. poke. wink.) to use it? they wanted the user experience of web development to be similar to windows development, so desktop developers would try to use it.
2. can we get existing web developers not to snub it like they did front page? and
3. can we integrate this expensive framework we spent so much time and effort building to drive the server side processing?

I have no problems using C# as my server side technology. actually I'd prefer it. they did an excellent job with webservices (which I do both in C# and PHP, and like C# better). but to make a big bastardized progeny of html / xml and standard "coding" (hello coldfusion for .net) resulted in this big ugly mess we call asp (--my opinion).

they could have very easily built a web based technology which was built around the DOM like winforms is built around Win32.

but they didnt.

instead they decided to build their technology around their concept of a page. lets store massive amounts of stateful data in it (for added bloat), make everything post back to the webserver (so we can overload the server & track pointless stateful client data), which makes java script a requirement (to post things back so they can look like an event), and make everyone think they're doing something "different" when all they're doing is the same old thing, its just that they're doing it somewhere where the developer doesnt see it.

events... yea not really. lets fire our web "event" in an odd sequence so we loose the page state data that got sent into the event when the page reloads.

you can implement custom themes in pure css. but wait, you cant build a technology upon that because you're own browser product doesnt fully support it, so they added their own "theme" technology that makes use of what css IE does support, and adds everything else by hand so it looks right in IE.



the designers of asp.net werent the idiots that asp.net makes them look like. I think they had a hard set of criteria (some that they shouldnt have had), and what was the most feasible from every aspect is what we ended up with (not that its the best implementation).



I use asp.net professionally, but refuse to touch it for personal stuff. I'd use .net's webservices in a heartbeat.









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J. Dunlap23-Jun-06 19:41
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Almighty Bob24-Jun-06 5:27
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David Wulff24-Jun-06 2:57
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Almighty Bob24-Jun-06 5:14
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Chris Maunder25-Jun-06 6:05
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KiwiPiet25-Jun-06 15:57
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Jim Jim27-Jun-06 2:45
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Priyank Bolia20-Jun-06 6:07
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