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Do you browse the internet with Javascript enabled?   [Edit]

Survey period: 19 Jun 2006 to 25 Jun 2006

OptionVotes% 
Yes, always96177.63
Yes, but only for trusted sites18014.54
No977.84



 
GeneralCookies Pin
Mark Focas23-Jun-06 22:45
Mark Focas23-Jun-06 22:45 
GeneralUploading and Resizing an Image Pin
Almerica23-Jun-06 1:27
Almerica23-Jun-06 1:27 
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Michael Dunn23-Jun-06 14:35
sitebuilderMichael Dunn23-Jun-06 14:35 
GeneralYes, but... Pin
KaЯl21-Jun-06 21:26
KaЯl21-Jun-06 21:26 
GeneralIt seems Microsoft's shadow is often behind these "innocent" surveys... Pin
Jim Jim20-Jun-06 8:33
Jim Jim20-Jun-06 8:33 
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Jeremy Falcon20-Jun-06 13:21
professionalJeremy Falcon20-Jun-06 13:21 
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nsimeonov21-Jun-06 2:30
nsimeonov21-Jun-06 2:30 
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david s_21-Jun-06 3:48
david s_21-Jun-06 3:48 
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Jeremy Falcon21-Jun-06 6:21
professionalJeremy Falcon21-Jun-06 6:21 
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Almighty Bob21-Jun-06 6:23
Almighty Bob21-Jun-06 6:23 
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John M. Drescher23-Jun-06 21:22
John M. Drescher23-Jun-06 21:22 
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Formation Technology21-Jun-06 13:18
Formation Technology21-Jun-06 13:18 
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Paul Lyons22-Jun-06 10:14
Paul Lyons22-Jun-06 10:14 
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J. Dunlap23-Jun-06 2:46
J. Dunlap23-Jun-06 2:46 
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Almighty Bob23-Jun-06 8:11
Almighty Bob23-Jun-06 8:11 
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David Wulff23-Jun-06 11:19
David Wulff23-Jun-06 11:19 
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Almighty Bob23-Jun-06 13:43
Almighty Bob23-Jun-06 13:43 
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J. Dunlap23-Jun-06 19:41
J. Dunlap23-Jun-06 19:41 
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Almighty Bob24-Jun-06 5:27
Almighty Bob24-Jun-06 5:27 
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David Wulff24-Jun-06 2:57
David Wulff24-Jun-06 2:57 
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Almighty Bob24-Jun-06 5:14
Almighty Bob24-Jun-06 5:14 
David Wulff wrote:
My impression from reading, and thinking about, what you have listed as negative points leads me to the conclusion that although you may be using ASP.NET professionally, you are not really using it effectively

I can effectively use a wrench to hammer in a nail to hang a picture of my son. that doesnt mean that the wrench is a good implementation of a hammer. thats all I was (albeit poorly) trying to say.


David Wulff wrote:
You mention "they could have very easily built a web based technology which was built around the DOM like winforms is built around Win32", but I can't see the difference between the ASP.NET model and the WinForm model?

I dont see how System.Web.UI.Page was built around the DOM[^]. System.Web.UI.Page uses xml fragments to "render" "what" it is to a document instead of "being" an html document.


I'm not trying to convert anyone to my way of thinking (I try to stay silent on my opinions because I know this is a "religious" like topic, and folks have passionate feelings about it, which I'm not trying to change). I tend to go on rants about one thing or another (which is kind of what I did), but the bottom line is, I think they did a bad job at defining how how dynamic html works, and trying to make a document into something its not... which is a good asynchronous client server platform. an embeddable activeX or applet IMO is the better solution to what they're trying to get folks to do with html.

asp.nets strength is not in its implementation of the dom. its not in its compatibility with other technologies (though it is pretty good in some aspects). its strength is in being able to make people money. its a "system" that allows people to do large scale "web apps" quickly and consistently. like anything else you can do it the best it will allow you to do it, or you can do it poorly (http://usa.asus.com for instance). it pays my bills. that doesnt mean that I think they did as good a job at designing it as they did with their win32 implementation. in the end they could have done something that looks and feels just like what we have now, but they didnt, and they won't, and thats just the way it is.

if I was a highly paid architect, designing a web technology, I'd have started off with something that looked like an XmlDocument, and gone from there. made it real easy to change out a node, which would allow for additions and deletions of "controls" just like windows forms do, and when the page was sent out, all it would need to do was deserialize itself using normal xml serialization, which would end up being an html page. I would have called "events" operations, and sent that info as get parameters instead of post backs. I wouldnt have provided a bloated state system that a lot of folks abuse. and in the end, I'm sure I'd have designed something that nobody but myself would have used.






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Chris Maunder25-Jun-06 6:05
cofounderChris Maunder25-Jun-06 6:05 
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KiwiPiet25-Jun-06 15:57
KiwiPiet25-Jun-06 15:57 
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Jim Jim27-Jun-06 2:45
Jim Jim27-Jun-06 2:45 
GeneralFirefox and NoScripts Pin
Priyank Bolia20-Jun-06 6:07
Priyank Bolia20-Jun-06 6:07 

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