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If i write a program in UNMANAGED VC++ 7.0 using ATL 7.0 and\or MFC 7.0, do I have to install the .Net framework or can I just supply the required ATL\MFC DLL's to the users machine?
Is installing the framework just for Microsoft's CLR?
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If its unmanaged you don't need the framework; only when you cross into managed code do you need the framework on the users machine.
James
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So I guess if I am using 'normal' and Managed code I just have to install the framework?
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Yes. If your application uses both; the framework has to be installed.
Something that just came to mind though. If you have it set so it can *optionally* load the managed code (ie it loads the managed code on demand and doesn't have anything about the managed code compiled aside from a GUID), then the framework could possibly be an option for the client as well... But if they decide to use it they will need the framework.
James
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BTW, hopefully this time next year or the year after we can assume that many will have the framework installed so the fact there is a 20MB download won't be as much of an issue.
James
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The redistributable is already part of windows update 
Nish
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End users, using windows update?!?!?! That'll be the day.... 
The problem with windows security problems isn't the problems its that stupid users don't patch their computers up to get rid of the problems.
This is non-existant in the *nix community because almost everyone who uses it knows about security problems and patches them ASAP.
James
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Ollie wrote:
If i write a program in UNMANAGED VC++ 7.0 using ATL 7.0 and\or MFC 7.0, do I have to install the .Net framework
No, you dont have to.
Ollie wrote:
can I just supply the required ATL\MFC DLL's to the users machine?
Yes, that's what you should do
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Ollie the use of the word UNMANAGED implies deviant behavior, Many of us are calling it 'normal' programming now.
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With the advent of .NET, normality got inversed
Nish
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Hello, I've been working for a couple of years with VC++; a few months ago I started to see information about Managed C++ but actually I don't know nothing at all about it. I've been searching recently for some introductory articles or explanations but I've been not able to find it.
Does anyone know where could I find something like that? In the board everybody seems to be already deeply inside the world of MC++, but I need something more basic!!
Thanx in advance
Jaims
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You could buy a book about MC++? Or you can read the msdn.microsoft.com they have a pretty good introduction about .net, you can also look in http://www.microsoft.com/visualc/
The easiest way is to jump in the pool. Install Visual C++ .NET and create a project.
After coding a "hello world" you won't be able to stop 
Al
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Albert Pascual wrote:
After coding a "hello world" you won't be able to stop
True. Very true indeed!
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Jaims wrote:
but I need something more basic!!
Read this one for a first time introduction to MC++
http://www.codeproject.com/useritems/mcppintro01.asp
Then this one for intro to GUI apps
http://www.codeproject.com/useritems/mcppwinforms01.asp
And this one for IJW
http://www.codeproject.com/useritems/mcppthreadsync01.asp
Regards
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Well,
I thanked him, so I guess I am morally obliged to thank you as well.
Thanks Nick 
Nish 
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Nish I guess I was just being obnoxious, that all, all in good fun. Thanks.
Nick Parker
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Sometimes obnoxiousity is a good thing.
Nish
p.s. The word exists, I hope
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote:
p.s. The word exists, I hope
It's ok if it doesn't, I used to have a C++ instructor regularly use words that don't exist (Spell Check would point them out in PowerPoint), he just told us that was the best way he could explain it.
Nick Parker
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Nick Parker wrote:
It's ok if it doesn't, I used to have a C++ instructor regularly use words that don't exist (Spell Check would point them out in PowerPoint), he just told us that was the best way he could explain it.
Oh
Thanks Nick
Nish
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Nish
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Hello guys
I am trying to get the HDC for a form. I am calling GetWindowDC for this, but I am only getting client DC and not the window DC 
I am not getting the title bar of the form
Any help?
Nish
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My bad or what 
The problem was not with GetWindowDC.
I was later calling GetClientRect instead of GetWindowRect
Nish
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LOL, I was trying to figure out how GetWindowDC could give you the wrong DC
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