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Johan Boule wrote: do you think by 2008 they would implement the C99 standard?
My impression is that they're tracking C++ rather than C aren't they?
Kevin
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> FROM [^] i can conclude that the c++ team is still very much active.
Pretty active spreading bad ideas like following one (link found on that blog page):
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/12a04hfd(VS.80).aspx
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PhyxZ3R0 wrote: so maybe you should get that stick out of your butt.
I voted you a one because you're an idiot.
PhyxZ3R0 wrote: i can conclude that the c++ team is still very much active.
And they should be, someone's gotta make sure MS can keep on writing Windows and the .NET run times, etc. But, this still has zippo to do with the crap C/C++ support MS has been dishing out to us devs though.
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PhyxZ3R0 wrote: microsoft has never stopped supporting c++ in visual studio
Nor has it many of the goodies it gave to .NET. I'm sure that was an accident though. 
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ed welch wrote: MS stopped supporting c++ with VS.NET
I wish they stopped shipping the c++ compiler with Visual Studio, and developped a separate IDE for system programmers. VS became too big, fat and slow.
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: VS became too big, fat and slow.
Agreed.
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I wish I could vote this a 500, but alas. Agreed 10000%. What we _really_ need is the kind of IDE that VS6.0 had - not an all-in-one thing, but separate IDE's. I really dont _care_ that I can now compile a project solution written in a million languages, one project for each. First, no reason to do that..like, ever. Second, what's the problem with compiling them in separate IDEs and linking the libraries?
Anyway, 5'd this.
"thats a pretty strong & powerful API they've got there...in fact, so strong, that it wont allow itself to be a tool...it wont allow anyone to use it"
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Anton Afanasyev wrote: what's the problem with compiling them in separate IDEs and linking the libraries?
In fact this is the point, Microsoft is going toward making all programmers as users, no one has to understand what is happening under the hood, so any new student or programmer will have the vs express just clicking the wizards writing a line of code and blah you got an application .
This is bad, ask any programmer knowing only C# or VB (I don't mean the folks who upgraded from C++ of course) about linking, loader, or any other low-level concepts, he will know nothing in fact.
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It seems as i'm the first one that votes for IBM.As a developer IBM do good job by leading Eclipse project.
You see the news , Eclipse community did something that Microsoft or Google can not do, released a whole Europe package in time.
Yeaa , this is not only work of guys in IBM , but when you see the chair man list , you'll IBM is dominant, simply it's the initiator of ECLIPSE ecosystem.
IBM is also known with it's other software's that is not "maybe" visible to end user but used in many infrastructure.
[AGP]
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Their continuing development of the Lotus Notes abortion completely eliminates any credit they deserve for anything else.
Some sins may not be forgiven.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Gary Wheeler wrote: Their continuing development of the Lotus Notes abortion completely eliminates any credit they deserve for anything else.
And don't forget Rational - that's almost worse than Lotus.
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Which company did most damage to devs around the world in areas of :
brain, bloat, instability, security, bad design, tech that sheep adore, dumb protocols, and more..
No doubt the one that will get the most votes.
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I second you on that. These surveys make no sense.
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User of Users Group wrote: Which company did most damage to devs around the world in areas of :
brain, bloat, instability, security, bad design, tech that sheep adore, dumb protocols, and more..
No doubt the one that will get the most votes.
No doubt indeed - Sun.
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Of course Microsoft but for database I think Oracle,But I have a question Where's SAP AG[^] on this list?
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Even though I develop on an Apple product I don't use any of Apple's development tools. I do however benefit from the terminal on Mac OS X as well as the built-in Ruby support. Plus I don't like Apple's restrictive practices. Paying for a certificate to list my iPhone app on their store is horrid.
I chose Mozilla and Amazon as I use their tools each and everyday and they make a positive difference. Firebug, brilliant tool, rests on Mozilla tech.
regards,
Paul Watson
Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote: At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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It's the good-est. 
- S
50 cups of coffee and you know it's on!
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Poll is shooting up Microsoft.
What about the story of Bill Gates stole the Apple Lisa GUI 
So its Apple or Microsoft?
"Silence will create respect and dignity; justice and fair play will bring more friends;
benevolence and charity will enhance prestige and position; courtesy will draw benevolence;
service of mankind will secure leadership and good words will overcome powerful enemies"
Ali (Peace be upon him)
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And where did Jobs got the idea... Maybe we should add -- Xerox 
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Yup, from the Xerox Parc Alto which had every element in modern computing including early work on a laser printer. Other than refinements the computer has not evolved in any fundamental way from the original Alto released in 1973.
"The pursuit of excellence is less profitable than the pursuit of bigness, but it can be more satisfying."
- David Ogilvy
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John C wrote: Xerox Parc Alto
Did you mean Xerox Palo Alto Research Center (PARC)?
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No I meant what I said (with more punctuation): Xerox P.A.R.C. "Alto" branded computer.
"The pursuit of excellence is less profitable than the pursuit of bigness, but it can be more satisfying."
- David Ogilvy
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John C wrote: the Xerox Parc Alto which had every element in modern computing
I beg to differ. The Alto didn't have a blue screen. Credit for that goes to Microsoft.
/ravi
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Well it did have a debug stack trace that would popup when it crashed so perhaps more advanced.
"The pursuit of excellence is less profitable than the pursuit of bigness, but it can be more satisfying."
- David Ogilvy
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Was just typing, "maybe we should ask Xerox". Glad I looked at the replies first
The only thing unpredictable about me is just how predictable I'm going to be.
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