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Re: Non-programming related discussions & WhoIsWho

10-Dec-02 0:05

Kant wrote:
By this we can weigh the particular person's strength

Yes, but you can answer crap to a lot of programming questions, thus not be strengthful, and get a good medal. But I agree, this could be a solution if people play the game, as usual.

~RaGE();

Kant10-Dec-02 8:52

Kant

10-Dec-02 8:52

Yes, but you can answer crap to a lot of programming questions, thus not be strengthful, and get a good medal. But I agree, this could be a solution if people play the game, as usual.

Instead of medals, It's better to give something like MVP title or Code Project Guru Unsure | :~

Kant
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Re: Non-programming related discussions & WhoIsWho

ColinDavies10-Dec-02 9:35

ColinDavies

10-Dec-02 9:35

I probably answer more non programming qu's by a large factor. And now when I do answer programming Qu's I use a dummy account. The reason being : reception of a lot of unsolicited emails requesting homework to be done. etc.
I know a couple of other CPians get the same.

Regardz
Colin J Davies

Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

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Unanswered questions

Rage9-Dec-02 0:35

Increasing Article Quality

9-Dec-02 0:35

Hi,

we had a discussion last week about the possibility of showing only unanswered questions in the different forums. (I didi not follow it till the end and couldn't find it back by searching in the lounge, so it is possible that my post does not make sense Hmmm | :|

). The problem with it is that even question with several answer posts did not eventualy find THE answer. So what i propose is to allow the poster of the question (or someone else) to set a flag when his question has been answered, and to allow everybody to only show the questions which did not have this flag.

~RaGE();

Re: Unanswered questions

Nitron9-Dec-02 4:01

Nitron

9-Dec-02 4:01

I concur. I just scrolled through to August the other day and answered a few stragglers... It would be nice for all if the unanswered had their place.

- Nitron

"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb

Re: Unanswered questions

Paul Watson11-Dec-02 3:52

Paul Watson

11-Dec-02 3:52

Rage wrote:
to set a flag when his question has been answered, and to allow everybody to only show the questions which did not have this flag.

Agreed. An extra idea to this would be that the original poster clicks a "Did this post answer your question?" button/link. That way you get the "Question Is Answered" data and the system can track who most often answers the thread correctly.

Paul Watson
Bluegrass
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[James Pullicino]8-Dec-02 22:42

[James Pullicino]

8-Dec-02 22:42

All those people who expressed concern over article quality should get together and write an article that will explain basic article good practices. This article will help people author high quality articles by explaining certain basics such as the importance of source code in an article, the importance of presentation and good grammer etc...

I would have found such a document very useful myself.

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Michael P Butler8-Dec-02 23:33

8-Dec-02 23:33

A set of writers guidelines would probably be a good idea, although I think the current guidelines on http://www.codeproject.com/info/submit.asp[^] are quiet comprehensive.

Maybe something like

Please take care with spelling and punctuation. Even if your article is wonderful, errors are a distraction and do not create a good impression. Watch out especially for its/it's, your/you're and there/their/they're.

could be added. I'm sure there must be a good grammar/writing guide on the internet the site could link to.

Michael

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ColinDavies10-Dec-02 9:12

ColinDavies

10-Dec-02 9:12

Michael P Butler wrote:
I'm sure there must be a good grammar/writing guide on the internet the site could link to.

Agreed !!

Regardz
Colin J Davies

Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining.
Said by Roger Wright about me.

Shog⁹10-Dec-02 9:41

Shog⁹

10-Dec-02 9:41

Michael P Butler wrote:
I'm sure there must be a good grammar/writing guide on the internet the site could link to.

How 'bout:
The Elements of Style[^]
Guide to Grammar and Style[^]

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Michael P Butler10-Dec-02 22:19

10-Dec-02 22:19

Shog9 wrote:
The Elements of Style[^]

I have the book at home, excellent link. Probably one on the best books on grammar that I've read.

Michael

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Something has got to change

Jörgen Sigvardsson14-Dec-02 11:09

Jörgen Sigvardsson

14-Dec-02 11:09

Michael P Butler wrote:
Watch out especially for its/it's, your/you're and there/their/they're.

When I wrote my masters dissertation, my local university grammar nazi refused contractions. He insisted on "it is", "you are", etc. I hated it then, but when I think about it, it looks more proper if words aren't contracted.

u, 4, r, and the rest of the elite vocabulary should definately be banned!

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Articles Like NASDAQ

Nitron8-Dec-02 10:47

Nitron

8-Dec-02 10:47

Don't take me the wrong way, but there have been many a sub-standard article lately IMO. I am not an elitest nor a c++ demigod, but I do believe even simple topics deserve quality articles. I think if an artical cannot maintain above a rating of 2.0 (or whatever) for some set amount of time (2 weeks to a month or so) it should be respectfully removed. This may already be the case, for rarely do I see un-edited articles below 2.0. The articles that have been edited and placed in a proper spot are usually all excellent articles. However, I don't think some of the ones that seemingly get "dumped" to CP deserve the disk space. Anyway, just a thought. Rose | [Rose]

- Nitron

"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb

David Wulff8-Dec-02 14:28

David Wulff

8-Dec-02 14:28

I typed this out then came here to post it, only to find Nitron has picked up on the same vibes too...

Whether or not there are genuinely more crap (I'm sorry but that is the right word) articles appearing of late, or whether they are just picked up on more frequently I don't know, but something has got to change because a feeling like that is very easily picked up on and carried around. Reputations are hard earned and easy lost, and if current happenings are the way of the future then CP is going to have a hard one. We must remember that not everybody comes to CP to jump straight in with the community (I know I didn't) - that comes with time when you've spent many weeks reading through the incredible wealth of information that is always available here on CodeProject, and is still appearing at a good rate. But if people's first impressions are blurred by sub standard material it will be ahrd to take that first image away from them.

I don't know if anyone has picked up on this but these past few months I've noticed significantly less new people actively participating in the free-topic forums like the Lounge, SoapBox, and General Discussions. I know I don't know every active community member, but I am clicking less and less new profiles now to find out about names I don't recognise. Could people be using this site like, say, a builetin board and merely asking their questions and moving away? Maybe the community side has reached it's equillibrium, but that signal could equally be a sign that something is wrong. I personally would hate to see the community side settle stagnate where it is - I think the unique mix of nationalities, personalities and views floating around amongst our active members all linked by one common interest is truely wonderful, but we still have a lot of room to grow. Maybe creating a few more free-topic forums, say one for sports and one for serious discussions, could be created? Some people may not feel like they can contribute anything worthwhile to the community areas because they are lost so quickly (and that simply isn't true: I've been posting utter crap for three years and no-ones gotten *too* upset yet).

What can be done to improve the image without disencouraging those who want to submit real quality articles? Should each article go through a basic peer-review before it is made visible? (This would take enormous resources). Should unedited articles be more clearly identified as unedited (e.g. different coloured text or hilighting)? Maybe new unedited articles could go through a probationary period of, say, one week where Silver+ members can vote to have it removed (like Nitron suggested)?

Maybe we need something to kick the existing community into helping with the article sifting? The editors do a great job, but how about having more sub editors - there are loads of people here who are extremely knowledgable in odd little areas of topics and technologies who could take some of the heat off of the main editors.

I don't know the answer - I haven't got years of exeprience running such a complex site with such a unique mix of visitors, and who knows maybe I have picked up on the wrong vibes here, but to me it clear: something has got to change before it gets out of hand. Nip it in the bud, so to speak.

David Wulff
http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

Live for today and die tomorrow.

Shog⁹8-Dec-02 16:28

Shog⁹

8-Dec-02 16:28

Yeah. What David said. Just like that, that's how it is. Ditto.

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David Wulff8-Dec-02 17:18

David Wulff

8-Dec-02 17:18

I am *so* tempted to have that as my permanent sig. Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

David Wulff
http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

Yeah. What David said. Just like that, that's how it is. Ditto. - Shog.

Shog⁹8-Dec-02 19:17

Shog⁹

8-Dec-02 19:17

ROTFL!
Well i guess that's one way to get quoted... Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

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Michael P Butler8-Dec-02 23:21

8-Dec-02 23:21

David Wulff wrote:
Maybe creating a few more free-topic forums, say one for sports and one for serious discussions, could be created?

But CP is a site about programming, the lounge and the soapbox are there for us to do our "water cooler chat" with like minded people. Adding extra forums will just dilute the meaning of CP.

I think the 'slush pile' of new articles created by the wizard should have to be reviewed before appearing on the front page. (They would still be available in the approriate sections, until rejected by an editor)

Maybe as others have suggested we need a group of article reviewers (like publishing houses/movie industry have readers) who don't actually edit the articles but can decide whether or not the article is of any value.

The reviewers need to be selected from article authors who have published 5+ edited articles. This will help keep a good quality control whilst hopefully keeping the ego factor under control.

Michael

Fat bottomed girls
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Paul Watson8-Dec-02 23:55

Paul Watson

8-Dec-02 23:55

Michael P Butler wrote:
think the 'slush pile' of new articles created by the wizard should have to be reviewed before appearing on the front page

I agree with that. I don't agree with the process you propose, but the end result should be like a newspaper with "quality" above the fold and "crap/unrated" below the fold.

Michael P Butler wrote:
The reviewers need to be selected from article authors who have published 5+ edited articles. This will help keep a good quality control whilst hopefully keeping the ego factor under control.

If it is not a Chris Maunder/CP Admin defined group of reviewers then that would be fine.

I think my main problem with all this "lets select X people to sort the gems from the rubble" is that we are then not taking advantage of the distributed power that CP contains. 100,000 members (even taking into account not all are active) is a huge source of power.

We should be looking for ways, like /., which takes advantage of the emergent behavoiour of 100,000 minds. Bottom up, not top down.

But I am still thinking about it Smile | :)

Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa

Christopher Duncan wrote:
Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)

Michael P Butler9-Dec-02 0:31

9-Dec-02 0:31

Paul Watson wrote:
I don't agree with the process you propose,

Just an idea off the top of my head, the process certainly needs a lot of refining.

Paul Watson wrote:
We should be looking for ways, like /., which takes advantage of the emergent behavoiour of 100,000 minds. Bottom up, not top down.

The /. system works well for the messages posted but for articles I don't think it would work. We've got a pretty decent system at the moment, it's just that a lot of pap is visible for the first few hours of its posting. Eventually the article rating system balances itself out.

I think avoiding a select group of reviewers is impossible, most people still come here just to download code and read articles. They aren't really interested in being part of the community. Getting them involved would be great but it just won't happen. I visit Slashdot quiet a lot, but very rarely use the moderation points given and even less meta-moderating.

I think there is a lot of merit in the slush-pile -> readers -> editors scheme. I think 99% of all articles should still be accessible, we just need some way to filter out the crap before it appears on the front-page.

Michael

Fat bottomed girls
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Rage9-Dec-02 1:36

9-Dec-02 1:36

Michael P Butler wrote:
Getting them involved would be great but it just won't happen

Why would it be great ? I think joining the community implies wanting to share, so I do not see why people who come here just to download code and read articles would be part of the community. Or maybe we should define what we call the community ?

~RaGE();

Rage9-Dec-02 1:31

9-Dec-02 1:31

Michael P Butler wrote:
But CP is a site about programming, the lounge and the soapbox are there for us to do our "water cooler chat" with like minded people. Adding extra forums will just dilute the meaning of CP.

I completely agree with that. Anyway, one may already discuss seriously or about sports in the lounge.

~RaGE();