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I'm talking about "bad words".
Look at the last line on OP's reply (if it wasn't removed by now). See it now?
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Or, I see. OP decided to remove last line, after I commented about his rudeness. Very clever. But it was there, and this is enough for me.
—SASergey A Kryukov
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I don't see any bad words in there. I wouldn't say this is abusive. I also wouldn't report his profile for this. If you find him disagreeable, that doesn't make him abusive. You simply don't have to continue helping him. Maybe your helping style and his learning style simply don't jive. Nothing wrong with that.
A spam/abusive report should not be a knee-jerk reaction to someone doing something you do not fully agree with. It is intended just as it is named, for someone spamming, or someone being truly abusive (repeatedly) to other members on the site.
He just started actually using the site. Please, let's try and be gentle with him.
If anyone ever has any questions about what is appropriate to a report, my email door and this forum are always open. I'm watching, I'm listening, I'm checking the reports. Let's work together to make the reporting system better.
Thanks,
Sean Ewington
CodeProject
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This is just because you did no have a chance to see those words. I already explained that the words were removed later, and OP admitted he did it. I appreciate this move. But back then, trust me, they were really intolerable. Of course, if it were just a harsh arguments, I would never report or something like that. It was just words which should not be written in any circumstances.
I think I do understand the purpose of abuse watch, agree with you statement, and probably I don't overuse it (or do I?). I actually don't take care much is someone talks in a harsh manner, this can be explainable. It's only important not to cross line.
At the same time, I am referring to some cases where extreme rudeness or disruptive behavior was strongly opposed. I think you only perceive my post as a sort of overreaction because you did not see original comment (good for you ). It's okay; shall we just forget it?
Thank you,
—SA
Sergey A Kryukov
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Yes, I am happy to forget this incident especially since I cannot see that original text.
While we're here, I did try to email you about reports, but it said your inbox was full. You spend the most time in the questions and answers and your feedback would be invaluable. There are a lot of reports in the system, and there is not a lot of dialogue between the reporter and myself. I see the report, I investigate, then assess the course of action. But it would be helpful to know, "Was the reason for the report?" "Should we be re-assessing our naming conventions for reports?" "Do our reports encompass every problem they need to?"
I'd like to invite you (or anyone for that matter) to email me on a few of the reports you make (if you have time) to say why you reported something. (Assuming it is something that might require more explanation, and not "Repost").
I think our reporting system needs work, but we need help to make it better.
Thanks,
Sean Ewington
CodeProject
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Thank you Sean. (And I'll fix the inbox problem). Do you mean forum reports or everything at all? I'll try to fix it or write to you in some cases.
And, my main system will be fixed soon if not yet fixed, so please feel free to main me again in case of any concerns.
—SASergey A Kryukov
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Forum reports, user reports, anything at all really would be greatly appreciated
Mostly forum reports though.
Thanks,
Sean Ewington
CodeProject
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Okay, thank you.
I can tell in advance: I see a lot of what I think are fake answers. One part of this problem is that self-answers and even self-accepting such answers formally is allowed. Some of such "answers" could be considered legitimate, but mostly they are not. If people just use the "Add your solution" to say thank you or other comments like that, I try to explain that they should use commenting instead, but total number of answer misuse grows too high...
By the way, I have a question: it it possible to opt-out doubling notification with e-mail (but leave equivalent site notifications as is)? I don't really use them. Notifications on the site are more than enough for almost all communications, and their e-mail copied are totally redundant; they even make it harder to track "real" mail on this account.
—SASergey A Kryukov
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I welcome examples of that gladly.
I personally think it's a design problem. If the immediate reaction of a user is to use "Add your solution" to respond with what should be a comment, then that's a design problem we should address.
As for self-accepting answers, that's a different beast to tackle. One solution is, "well maybe we shouldn't allow self-accepting answers."
I think these are more suited to items on the Site Bugs / Suggestion forum, rather than reports. Especially if they are habitual, incorrect user behaviours. Reports are only a band-aid solution.
Thanks,
Sean Ewington
CodeProject
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I know; I though I mentioned that before, and I wanted to discuss that. There are many other small problems I reported or planned to, so...
Thank you,
—SASergey A Kryukov
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Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov wrote: By the way, I have a question: it it possible to opt-out doubling notification
with e-mail (but leave equivalent site notifications as is)? I don't really use
them.
AFAIK you can already do it, in each message you post, you have an "E-mail me if someone replies to this message" if you uncheck it you only receive the insider notifications.
Edit: What I don't know If you can leave them unchecked by default. I have tried it 2 times without success
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I did not do it because I wasn't 100% sure about "only receive the insider notifications". If you are sure they will still be delivered (are you sure?), I'll do it immediately, appreciate it very much.
—SASergey A Kryukov
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That check box is only affecting the posts you do. It avoids receiving emails when someone answers or comments your message. I think it does not affect other contents of the site. So yes, you should still receive anything else.
However, best place to ask about is Bugs & Sugs. You will receive the 100% right answer there
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Come'on SA,
I've hung around the Q&A for a while and I can honestly say some of your comments are slightly on the crusty side of terse. Now, we can go on for hours about the fact that a bagel is not a soft pretzel and sft pretzel is not a bagel but what the Abuse watch is really about is knowing where the grilling can legimately take place.
The answer to the problem is don't engage OP that has zero experience at asking questions. Right out of the box. As is.
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Thank you for your comment. You should not mix up "crusty" and "terse" with saying bad works to people, which is really breaking or written or unwritten code.
I know my words can be "terse" and I am ready to take responsibility for it. I'm an not saying that I'm right in all cases, but I want to stay for every word I say in this very answer. I think it makes sense and should be helpful to OP. So, please, it you want to argue against my answer, tell me what specifically is wrong, otherwise your negative note is not really motivated, event if you are right.
I don't know if you paid attention that OP removed bad works from his post later. What I can do? I only appreciate that, but trust me, they were absolutely intolerable back then.
Thank you,
—SA
Sergey A Kryukov
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Ok. How about "indelicate". Forget terse. Terse caused Nikolai to jump off a bridge into the Neva dressed in women's clothing; thanks alot Apollon.
But what about the fact that specifically a 400-pointer who has only half-a-wick of a profile to his name and you going all Javert on his Jean Valjean?
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Not a big difference to me. I already explained you my point of view, we can only discuss something more concrete if you really want. I personally see nothing inappropriate. Come on, OP still needs to learn those basics, and this is what he really needs, not the "answer". Okay, if nobody says it to him, and who would be the looser?
Again, I say that the real confusion was just because you did not see original message from OP, don't know how would you react. It's removed now, and that's good, but please don't try to make me look more stupid.
—SASergey A Kryukov
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Not only are you being ruthless by coming here to a forum where you know a 400-poster doesn't hang out, you don't even invite him?
More like a stab in the back. And you say
Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov wrote: OP still needs to learn those basics
Huh? Forgive me ceasar, but whose garden is this once again?
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No, I did not.
—SASergey A Kryukov
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You did not get it. I say, I did not invite him, confirmed what you say.
Look, I settled the conflict with OP and went on continuing to help him, if you did not notice, and he is talking to me normally, but you cannot stop, or what? Maybe, it's time to consider your behavior, too, just to make a good company?
I always helped people even of they are rude, just try to oppose something which I think should not be tolerated, from time to time. How about you?
—SASergey A Kryukov
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Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov wrote: always helped people even of they are rude
Absolutely. History outs this misundersanding.
Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov wrote: How about you?
I fold. (there's no emoticon for jumping sheep)
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Wish you the best of luck.
—SASergey A Kryukov
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The bad words (which I haven't been able to read) were uncalled for, but I believe it wasn't entirely OP's fault. The guy had a straightforward question and, sorry to say this, but you gave him an answer that is totally not related to what was asked. Instead, you pointed out the flaws of his code, and you mentioned that he has totally no clue on the topic, which can also be true, but there are plenty of ways of saying it without offending the OP.
I think, when answering questions, we also need to be aware that each of us have different ways of learning, as well as how we accept criticisms and understand things, so we should also be responsible in phrasing our answers so that it would not look harsh for the OP. After all, isn't that the purpose of Q&A? To give developers a push on the right direction and not make them look stupid?
You and the other folks in Q&A have been providing excellent answers since before and those were really invaluable. But sometimes, it's nice to make self-evaluations once in a while if we are really following what was in the bottom of Submit Solution widget, especially the last sentence.
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M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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