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Do you browse the internet with Javascript enabled?   [Edit]

Survey period: 19 Jun 2006 to 25 Jun 2006

OptionVotes% 
Yes, always96177.63
Yes, but only for trusted sites18014.54
No977.84



 
GeneralCookies Pin
Mark Focas23-Jun-06 22:45
Mark Focas23-Jun-06 22:45 
GeneralUploading and Resizing an Image Pin
Almerica23-Jun-06 1:27
Almerica23-Jun-06 1:27 
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Michael Dunn23-Jun-06 14:35
sitebuilderMichael Dunn23-Jun-06 14:35 
GeneralYes, but... Pin
KaЯl21-Jun-06 21:26
KaЯl21-Jun-06 21:26 
GeneralIt seems Microsoft's shadow is often behind these "innocent" surveys... Pin
Jim Jim20-Jun-06 8:33
Jim Jim20-Jun-06 8:33 
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Jeremy Falcon20-Jun-06 13:21
professionalJeremy Falcon20-Jun-06 13:21 
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nsimeonov21-Jun-06 2:30
nsimeonov21-Jun-06 2:30 
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david s_21-Jun-06 3:48
david s_21-Jun-06 3:48 
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Jeremy Falcon21-Jun-06 6:21
professionalJeremy Falcon21-Jun-06 6:21 
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Almighty Bob21-Jun-06 6:23
Almighty Bob21-Jun-06 6:23 
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John M. Drescher23-Jun-06 21:22
John M. Drescher23-Jun-06 21:22 
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Formation Technology21-Jun-06 13:18
Formation Technology21-Jun-06 13:18 
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Paul Lyons22-Jun-06 10:14
Paul Lyons22-Jun-06 10:14 
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J. Dunlap23-Jun-06 2:46
J. Dunlap23-Jun-06 2:46 
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Almighty Bob23-Jun-06 8:11
Almighty Bob23-Jun-06 8:11 
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David Wulff23-Jun-06 11:19
David Wulff23-Jun-06 11:19 
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Almighty Bob23-Jun-06 13:43
Almighty Bob23-Jun-06 13:43 
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J. Dunlap23-Jun-06 19:41
J. Dunlap23-Jun-06 19:41 
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Almighty Bob24-Jun-06 5:27
Almighty Bob24-Jun-06 5:27 
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David Wulff24-Jun-06 2:57
David Wulff24-Jun-06 2:57 
My impression from reading, and thinking about, what you have listed as negative points leads me to the conclusion that although you may be using ASP.NET professionally, you are not really using it effectively. There was not a single point in your explanation that could not be changed or used in a different way. That is why ASP.NET is so perfect for web development - it gives you the means to work at any level within an application - from the page as a single logicial entity right up to the bytes that are sent back and forth.

If you don't want javascript links then don't use postbacks on links. That is an application design issue not a framework one. It is down to you as the developer to implement user interface standards in your applications. Javascript links should only be used where it is logical to use them (for example, a calandar).

Unweildly page state? Then use common sense when deciding what state actually needs to be transfered. Ususually it is very little - 90% plus of the applications I've released over the past six years don't transfer any. It's a design decision you need to make when planning the application.

Regarding X/HTML and its relationship with the framework, you have to allow for this if you want an OO approach to web development. In my opinion OO is perfectly suited for web development rather than at odds with it - everything from the client end up is logically repsentable as objects. By giving us the ability to represent them the framework lets us cleanly code for and extend them as logical objects, rather than the procedural mess that we have had previously (or the limitations that the CF component model gives us). Having to thnk a bit harder when working with it is a small tradeoff for the potential it grants you.

Javascript is not a requirement for ASP.NET applications. It makes them considerably easier to develop, without doubt, but there is nothing stopping you from using other methods. This is probably even easier to do if you have come from or continue to build applications with other technologies.

Events on the server side are events. Events on the client side are triggers for events on the server side. With regards to firing events in an odd sequence that loses state, you are either listening for the wrong events or you are doing something wrong if you are handling state yourself.

Themes in ASP.NET are and always will be just a layman's addon for web design. They were put in to satisfy the considerable number of developers who don't know, or want to know, how to do things any better. We don't have to use them (I don't, and it sounds like you don't either).

You mention "they could have very easily built a web based technology which was built around the DOM like winforms is built around Win32", but I can't see the difference between the ASP.NET model and the WinForm model? They both approach their end targets in the same fashion.



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Almighty Bob24-Jun-06 5:14
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Chris Maunder25-Jun-06 6:05
cofounderChris Maunder25-Jun-06 6:05 
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KiwiPiet25-Jun-06 15:57
KiwiPiet25-Jun-06 15:57 
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Jim Jim27-Jun-06 2:45
Jim Jim27-Jun-06 2:45 
GeneralFirefox and NoScripts Pin
Priyank Bolia20-Jun-06 6:07
Priyank Bolia20-Jun-06 6:07 

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